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To: The Philosopher who wrote (42419)	6/28/1999 11:49:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Since I share some of the guilt for starting this discussion, let me make a comment on "patriotism." I would never call myself a "patriot." One of the reasons I would not is because too many of the people who do call themselves that seem to be boasting about their "patriotism," and implying that other people are not "patriots." In other words, the term is too often used in a self-serving fashion, to justify/rationalize own's own set of beliefs, and to impugn those of others. For example, I am sure that the person you describe in your post -- the one who advocates scrapping the Bill of Rights, etc. -- would, in fact, insist that he is a "patriot," and that you are not because you question his convictions. Joan

To: The Philosopher who wrote (42419)	6/28/1999 12:37:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

If you believe that and intend to pursue your goal ACCORDING to the method prescribed for changing this country under the US Constitution and you do this BECAUSE you think these changes are for the betterment of the country you love then of course you are a patriot. And I would be a patriot to oppose such a person since I would believe such a person would be making the country worse. So in the end (IMO) being a patriot is meaningless. Unless you hate this country, and wish to see it get worse (however one defines worse) then one is a patriot. There are much better things to be than a patriot.