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To: E who wrote (42685)	6/29/1999 12:40:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Thanks, Queen Vicky, for the no doubt badly needed dose of upstate morality. I do feel sorry for the poor husband, but when a woman breaks away like this I suspect that there is something wrong with her mentally, and it's usual in civilized places to treat, rather than to imprison, the mentally ill. If she wasn't mentally ill, she might have been fleeing something very bad at home -- something that the husband might have caused. Of course, she could just be a wicked, evil woman who wanted to destroy her own, her children's, her husband, and the young man's lives. It still contend that any two people -- regardless of their legal status -- are free to engage in sex voluntarily and without any force or coercion. You are the one who wants to regulate Get a grip. No one who "falls in love" like this deserves prison. Does she deserve to be allowed to live with her lover? I think it might very well be better than imprisoning her. She could take care of her children, and as long as the boy can stand it (as he seems to want) it might be the best outcome of the situation that is possible. My understanding is that he was her former student. Do you understand that people do things that have consequences for other people all the time? When a young man is offered love and sex (not ravished -- how can a woman ravish a man who is twice her size) by a woman he is free to refuse -- certainly the second time. There is no question in my mind that he loved her. This of course "love" is often a transient state, but I would have preferred that they had a chance, however slim, to live together rather than throwing them into this hopeless situation. It would have been, I believe, a much less difficult situation for everyone than what has actually occurred. I do think I'll order up his book, and get his publicist's side of it. What makes you so angry about this? Why cannot you let people do the best they can without attacking her for being almost 40 or him having sex (if indeed he is) with teenaged girls. I agree that things would have been better (unless like some people you believe that souls need to be born) if they had used contraception. She (with three children) was already breeding out of control, and she may have had some moral objection to contraception. He, without detailed and precocious sex education, may not have been well-enough informed. But notice, no state has a requirement for passing an exam or having a learner's permit to engage in sex. I wanted my children to know everything that they might need to know to prevent their participation in sex under false pretenses (religious education as some priests suggest) or in childish play. For myself, I wish I had been seduced by my favorite teacher rather than introduced to sex the way I was. I am glad I didn't get her in trouble, for I loved her very much. I am sure she loved me very much sexually and would have loved to bear my child but she was much too sensible and was married ok. It's strange, but now I think about it, and I haven't for many years, she liked me far more than was common. She touched me far more than necessary. We spent a lot of private time together. More than once she fell asleep on my shoulder, We shared some intimacies. I help her achieve great success in her job. She was extremely proud of my achievements. Everyone knew we shared an unusual bond.

To: E who wrote (42685)	6/29/1999 9:11:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I am very much in agreement with nihil on this one. But you speak like a true disciple of the "judeo-christian American ethic", or perhaps more accurately, a Puritan. (An artificial construct if there ever was one.) And of course there are many societies that encourage men to have multiple wives, "test" wives and "child" brides. Having recently been in West Africa, I met many happy men who had more than one wife and I personally think in that regard those societies may be more progressive, not regressive, than ours. Most men need more than one wife, especially if that wife happens to have been raised in the looney bin that has become America. Even in this old US of A (unless they changed the laws) it's acceptable for 12-year olds to get married with their parents' permission if you happen to reside in Tennessee. FT