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To: Achilles who wrote (55513)	7/6/1999 2:21:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<I would regard myself as moral.>> And so you ascribe to a moral code I presume. What code is that? <<I don't think the Ten Commandments are especially useful as a moral code: they identify morality too much as not doing a specific (and eccentric) list of things;>> Which of the "nots" do you find not useful? Do you worship idols? Do you think it bad for people to rest one day a week? Do you think people should covet other peoples relations and stuff? Stealing OK with you? <<Am I immoral because I suggest that morality will not be well served by putting up the Ten Commandments everywhere?>> Do you think your self representative of the people opposing the display of the big 10? I don't. I don't think morality will suffer by the presentation of the ten commandments. They are not being offered as new school rules, only as an important historical reference. You seem to have some fear of how the presentation of the ten will effect students. If students were influenced by their display then what? What if they developed a desire to comply with the ten? What if they didn't?

To: Achilles who wrote (55513)	7/9/1999 4:13:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Achilles, I have taken a shine to you. You have pressed your position well, and in a serious manner. And it would be lovely if we could teach, say, the doctrine of the Four Cardinal Virues (we could use Josef Pieper!), and perhaps review selected chapters of the Nicomachean Ethics (the discussion of eudaimonia, the discussion of the great- souled man, perhaps the types of friendship) and Cicero's "De Officiis". Finally, let us throw in Aquinas's "Treatise on Law", Kant's "Groundwork of a Metaphysics of Morals", and perhaps the section "What is Moral?" from the "Beyond Good and Evil", by Nietzsche. This would cover the waterfront pretty well...For a bunch of precocious collegians! For children, it makes more sense to post something like the Ten Commandments. In any event, we are obliged to tell children what to believe, because they are ignorant, and do not have much aptitude for higher order abstraction. The whole thing turns on whether or not such a posting constitutes "establishment", or, more particularly, proselytizing. I argue that the post means almost nothing to those not already within the religious tradition alluded to, and therefore cannot amount to proselytizing, and therefore is exempt from prohibition....