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To: Richnorth who wrote (731)7/9/1999 10:06:00 PM
From: Henry Volquardsen  Respond to of 1615
 
Your opinions will be greatly appreciated.

My pleasure. The site you link is filled with ignorant, racist trash. Anyone who believes or perpetuates this garbage is beneath contempt.



To: Richnorth who wrote (731)7/9/1999 11:15:00 PM
From: John Hunt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1615
 
Re Church Of The Creator Site

Richnorth,

While I could be mistaken, I think that the guy that just went on the deadly shooting spree accross several states against blacks, orientals and followers of the Jewish faith was a member of the Church of the Creator.

Sorry, while I like exploring some of the weird and off-beat locations on the web, this type of site is not my 'cup of tea'.

John



To: Richnorth who wrote (731)7/10/1999 1:05:00 AM
From: X Y Zebra  Read Replies (8) | Respond to of 1615
 
If the stuff presented in the URL below (from the World Church of the Creator, or wcotc, is true, lots of folks will have to watch out, don't you think?

Correct. The only people in trouble will be those who the "WCOTC" targets, as it appears one of their "peaceful" assassins, er... associates, has already proven.

If the quotations from the Talmud as presented by the WCOTC are correct, then the Jews would appear as the ultimate supremacists???

Yeah right ! .... and if my Aunt had wheels, she would be a bicycle.

The key words are "as presented by the WCOTC"

The only supremacists that I have ever come across are usually a bunch of rabid fanatics using the cover of religion to spread their hate. Indeed, in some instances, they even use a strange portrait of a gentile with an incredible resemblance to a white-blue-eyed messiah. (or similar)

Earlier in history they were known as Crusaders, Inquisitors, Nazis, Muslim Fundamentalists, Grand Wizards of the KKK, and lately White Supremacist Militias.

The one common denominator amongst them is the use of gods, hell, "good books", racism, and violence in the style of terrorism. All, of course, "in the name of god".

In simple terms, a bunch of terrorist and desperados.

Your opinions will be greatly appreciated.

I am glad you asked.

Yet, another attempt to paint their hate, criminal intent, and ignorance, under the cover of "a kind light for freedom". Their sick ideology based on the fallacy that their so called "Aryan race" should be considered superior. In reality, it is pure, unadulterated criminal intolerance, yet again another proof that religion, for the most part, [a few exemptions exist], is evil as it pursues the very deeds, their fascist chiefs pretend to reject.

And even the few religions [or individuals within] that have benefited the promotion of good ethics, the evidence is clear that even those, restrict the ability of man to think freely of imaginary mystical and "scare me godly entities".

No one restricts your right to believe in whatever god/entity you want to believe in... until you force, or pretend to push your ideas on others, particularly in a violent manner, as it has already been shown, in this case of the "associate" of this "church".

PS. If you are unable to open the page, try getting there via
xxxxxxx.xxx and then continue to surf from there.


Oh right, spread the propaganda some more....

All you need to read is the signature at the end of the first page you showed:

Rev. Matt Hale

The Creativity Movement


Definition of [his] Creativity:

Be white, do as I say, sell your mind to stupidity and ignorance, or else, you will suffer the consequences.

[As it is clear to those that can see the real intent]

We could provide many more quotes from this offensive book, but I believe that the point is clear: The Jews are involved in what can be called, and indeed has been called, a conspiracy against all mankind and will take whatever steps they deem necessary for them to dominate the rest of the world. It is because of these beliefs, and the willingness of the Jews to act upon them, that "anti-semitism" exists and perhaps the reason why the Jews have been disliked and driven out of every nation in which they have inhabited at least once. In the pages that follow, I hope to make clear to you just how far the Jews have gotten with this Talmudic conspiracy.

If such were true, you and all the promoters of racism would already be either disciplined or long gone, as it is clear that the Jewish people are a hell of a lot smarter than the collection of drooling inbreds, most racists are.

So be thankful that the rubbish contained in the URL you show, as presented by the WCOTC, is mere propaganda to infuriate the ignorant morons that racists are. "Because they feel dispossesed"

Particularly in this country, where opportunity abounds for all... except, of course, for the inbreds.

Get lost arsehole, move to Antarctica with your mates of similar ideology, luckily for you there are no insane asylums over there, [at least you won't have to worry about getting the "Aryan race polluted".]

But before you do, make sure you continue spouting your garbage, the authorities need to be aware of the crazy bastards like you are out there.

p.s. don't complain about my post, since:

A. I am being kind to you, [the same kindness your ideology dispenses]

B. I am simply responding in kind. [I like you too, but f**** you all the same]

C. I don't believe in the old testament, the new testament, nor any other godly book. I actually think that Flash Gordon, Donald Duck and Miss Piggy have more credibility than any of the apostles of falsehood contained in the above testaments.

At least my heroes did not, [nor they do], promote murder, war, or mayhem

_______

"Consider the six days of Genesis as a figure of speech for what has in fact been 4 billion years. On this scale, one day equals something like six hundred and sixty-six million years, and thus, all day Monday and until Tuesday noon, creation was busy getting the world going. Life began Tuesday noon, and the beautiful organic wholeness of it developed over the next four days.

At 4 PM Saturday, the big reptiles came on. Five hours later, when the redwoods appeared, there were no more big reptiles. At three minutes before midnight on the last day, man appeared. At one-fourth of a second before midnight, Christ arrived. At one-fortieth of a second before midnight, the Industrial Revolution began.

We are surrounded with people who think that what we have been doing for that one-fortieth of a second can go on indefinitely. They are considered normal, but they are stark raving mad."

- David Brower

_________

That Negroes, in more than one way, are superior to most American whites is something that I have long believed. I pass over their gift for music (which is largely imaginary) and their greater dignity (which Dr. Eleanor R. Wembridge has described more eloquently than I could do it), and point to their better behavior as members of our common society.

Are they, on the lower levels, somewhat turbulent and inclined to petty crime? Perhaps. But that crime is seldom anti-social. It gets a lot of advertising when it is, but that is not often.

Professional criminals are rare among Negroes, and, what is more important, professional reformers are still rarer. The horrible appetite of the low-caste Anglo-Saxon to police and harass his fellow-men is practically non-existent among them.

No one ever hears of Negro wowsers inventing new categories of crime, and proposing to jail thousands of their own people for committing them. Negro Prohibitionists are almost as rare as Catholic Prohibitionists. No Negro has ever got a name by pretending to be more virtuous than the rest of us. In brief, the race is marked by extraordinary decency.

~ H. L. Mencken (1820 - 1956)

Quoted in Charles Scruggs's The Sage in Harlem, 1984

____________

"The God of love that they preach invariably turns out, on examination, to be a God of harsh and arbitrary penalties and brutalities, just as the brotherhood of man that they preach, brought to the test, turns out to be only a kind of hatred. Hell is still their headquarters... "

~ H. L. Mencken



To: Richnorth who wrote (731)7/10/1999 4:44:00 PM
From: Father Terrence  Respond to of 1615
 
What happened to Nostradamus (who was a Jew and was forced to convert to Christianity)?



To: Richnorth who wrote (731)7/10/1999 5:26:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1615
 
Okay, the quotations from the Talmud are NOT correct!

Finally, someone has published, on the net, a point-by-point refutation of that hoary old fraud, "The Talmud Unmasked," which every neo-Nazi group in cyberspace has been spamming all over the place, and which has just put in an appearance on this thread.

Take a look at this detailed 2-part response to the "quotations," some of which are invented, some of which are simply misunderstood, and others yet deliberately or inadvertently mistranslated and/or misquoted.

geocities.com
geocities.com

Here is some more material, in what appears to be an earlier and shorter version of the above:

geocities.com

Some examples of the different kinds of distortion -- from invention to misunderstanding to misquotation -- peddled in "The Talmud Unmasked":

CLAIM
"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." - Libbre David 37.

RESPONSE
Total balderdash, there is no such statement at all, and there is no such book. E.S.

CLAIM
"A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." - Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

RESPONSE
This is of course poppycock, there is no such source called Hadarine, while the chapter in Choshen Mishpat 348:2 states clearly that one may not steal from a gentile exactly as one may not steal from a fellow Jew. E.S.

CLAIM
"When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves." - Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D.

RESPONSE
There is no such source. However, we find a talmudic statement relating to the spiritual afterlife allegorically that there will be no need for toil in the spiritual world, as one who has a large amount of slaves does not need to toil, thus so to speak angels will execute our errands. Another Talmudic statement which might have incited the ignoramus is that in the messianic times every Jew will have 2800 disciples from among the nations who will wish to learn from him the ways of the Torah. E.S.

CLAIM
"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."- Aboda Sarah 37a.

RESPONSE
Apparently a deliberate misquote. The observation is a technical, physiological one, regarding the impurities related to genital "flows" as outlined in Leviticus chapter 15. The Talmudic source argues that since the tearing of the hymen at that age would be permanent (as distinct from a younger girl whose hymen the rabbis believed would grow back), she is considered to have reached a state of physical development that her discharges would be included under the category of impure flows according to the Biblical purity laws. (The same rule, by the way, would apply to a Jewish girl). This is of course not a permission to "violate" the girl, merely a legal definition of her age. From Usenet message
catamont-2305980759150001@ts003d13.den-co.concentric.net


jbe






To: Richnorth who wrote (731)7/12/1999 10:39:00 AM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1615
 
The stuff below the line of asterisks in the post you referred to is not my fabrication/creation but is the stuff taken directly from the WCOTC for all to see for what it is worth. Maybe I should have used quotation marks and explicitly mentioned that fact. But it now seems I have credited some of my readers with more intelligence than they actually deserve.

It is assinine of anyone to suggest that simply because I reported that stuff, I am a hate-monger etc. etc., blah, blah, blah. Mind you, I was not pushing the stuff. I was merely presenting it to all for microscopic examination and dissection and exposure and refutation.

What I have seen lately was something akin to EL TORO charging blindly at a moving cape dangled before its eyes.

Well, I suppose there is much truth to the old adage: "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." To be fair, I should say this apparently applies to all, even myself!