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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (848)	7/13/1999 5:38:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1340

You are a scientist, and therefore may be more critical. I had little opinion as to the elegance of the explanation... ...You are right, I erred in mentioning PM in relation to ESB. I guess I am saying that although the effects were pretty cool in the first thing, none of them really rocked me.... ...I am sorry, I forgot the "killed" phrasing. I think, though, that even that fits in with reticence about explaining Luke's parentage....

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (848)	7/13/1999 8:16:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1340

>>>>>Obiwan told Luke that Vader betrayed and killed his father. For Vader then to BE Luke's father is a bit of a stretch<<<<< Wow. Obiwan was speaking metaphorically, allegorically, and he was 100% correct. Vader betrayed what was good within himself, and killed it off, or at least tried to. In that way, he's not that different from many other men (and women) who have to distort their own natures into something unrecognizable in order to be effective in a high-pressure environment, like war, or politics, or high-level corporate office politics, or high-stakes scorched-earth litigation.