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To: The Philosopher who wrote (45833)	7/16/1999 12:29:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

The substance is mundane. But the style is gorgeous. That is not quite the same thing as saying "the content is atrocious, but the style is gorgeous," Christopher. In fact, it is not the same thing AT ALL. The substance of almost ALL great writing is "mundane," meaning it is "of this earth," "ordinary." What makes it great is the way it can transmute the "base metal" of our ordinary life into gold. Secondly, on the issue of "disgraceful" substance. What I said was (emphasis mine): I am really not sure whether I personally can separate style from substance, even in poetry. How can you argue with that, Christopher? We are talking personal inclination here, temperament. As for Kipling, I don't care much for his style, let alone his substance. A matter of taste. Joan

To: The Philosopher who wrote (45833)	7/16/1999 1:24:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

>>>>>"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." Simply put, all that says is "hey, man, shit happens."<<<<< Using your simplistic reduction, we could dispense with every work of literature in every bookstore and every library, and post your motto instead. Further, instead of great, stirring oratory at the funerals of great and beloved men and women, the eulogist could simply state your motto. And skilled and crafty defense counsel, e.g., Johnny Cochran defending O.J., summing up the case, could simply use your motto, as well. I shake my head in amazement. As an aside, my motto is, "The race is not always to the swift, nor victory to the strong, but that's the way to bet." (Damon Runyon)