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To: Mark Palmberg who wrote (25540)	7/16/1999 6:00:00 PM
From: J R KARY	Respond to of 213186

Could WebObjects be a application server for FileMaker Pro 5.0 ? Adam very thoughtful post , but you omitted commenting on Rich's Wind River Sys ;>) With AAPL's consumer market growing and a opportunity to expand beyond its user base with the P1 , could AAPL be poised to enter the Enterprise ? (It has been 2 years of NeXT silence) A few weeks back was this possibility about a coming Mac server using FileMaker 5.0 database utility which permits pass through of DB data to different (ORCL , SQL , DB2 etc) Enterprise servers: Message 10375185 In Mark's WebObjects post (25540) was this (linked) paragraph: ===== " An application server is software that connects client systems to backend services, such as databases, corporate human resources programs, and stock trading systems. Like traditional transaction-processing software, application servers manage client sessions, host business logic, and maintain connectivity. But they are custom-tailored to Web applications in that they can adapt to the wildly unpredictable transaction volumes of, for example, online trading and auction sites. " ===== Not mentioned with WebObjects , but a factor , is AAPL owned FileMaker Pro: filemaker.com Adam , or anybody (familiar with WebObjects/FileMaker) care to comment further ? Keep your eyes on the (Enter)prise . Jim K.

To: Mark Palmberg who wrote (25540)	7/16/1999 9:44:00 PM
From: JP Sullivan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 213186

About a year ago, I considered using WebObjects to build a site we're now working on now. I visited Apple's Web site and tried to dig up as much info as I could about the product. I found that it was expensive (started at $5K although now it is bundled with MacOS X Server, I think, but I'm still unclear on the licensing policy), and what was worse was that I came away with the impression that the product was elitist, ie reserved for the privileged few. To purchase I had to send an e-mail requesting that an Apple representative contact me (no one did, btw). In this day and age of click-and-order, it seemed to me that Apple was not too keen on selling to the masses. Contrast this to MS whose FrontPage and VB programming tools are available almost everywhere. Some will argue that we're not talking about quite the same league here, but my point is that if Apple is really serious about making WebObjects a big success, it needs to get out there and make the product available to everyone at an affordable price. Apple snobbery has no place in today's business environment. I love Apple (the first in the office with a Tangerine iMac :) and am saddened to see that some of its old habits are still around. Adam was right when he spoke about faith. One really needs a LOT of faith and patience to stick with Apple. Winston

To: Mark Palmberg who wrote (25540)	7/19/1999 2:52:00 PM
From: Adam Nash	Respond to of 213186

You're right, of course, Adam. I'm just a little surprised that Cramer has plenty to say about other Internet companies that have new or emerging business models, yet Pixar's complexity frightens him. Maybe it's just too much work for the little fella. But while I have your attention, Adam, can you comment on this: news.com Thanks. And thank you for your great post. Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Mark I probably shouldn't say too much, since I used to work for the group, but WebObjects certainly is excellent technology. The issue is really whether Apple has the sales presence to compete with Sun, Oracle, etc. in the application server market. I had hoped for sometime that Apple would either spin out Webobjects (for an IPO, which is where it was headed before the merger), or form some alliance with Oracle, Sun, or both. Since that time, Oracle has moved in its own direction, and Sun has acquired not one, but two app-servers (since they bought one, and got a second in the Netscape-AOL fallout).