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To: coug who wrote (45912)7/17/1999 2:14:00 PM
From: melinda abplanalp  Respond to of 108807
 



To: coug who wrote (45912)7/17/1999 8:16:00 PM
From: Dayuhan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Traven (not Craven) - a pseudonym, I was never able to find out much about the man - wrote a number of exceedingly good novels, albeit from a socialist perspective which rendered them unpopular among some critics. I have never understood why he didn't have more of a following. He wrote very well, and his work had a stamp of personal experience that is seldom found. He wrote a novel from a seaman's perspective that was comparable to Conrad at his best.

I haven't thought of him in years, I suppose I shall have to search the web now. I wouldn't mind having some of those books, and seeing if they make the same impression on me now that they did in my early 20s.

Henry Miller knew the English language as well as anyone in a age of very serious stylists, and could hardly be invoked to prove that technical skill is not essential to greatness.



To: coug who wrote (45912)7/17/1999 8:27:00 PM
From: Dayuhan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
More about Traven than I ever knew, in 60 seconds: the wonders of the Internet.

riverart.com

I remember The Death Ship as a startlingly good novel, with an unmistakable stamp of authenticity to it. I'll have to read it again one day.



To: coug who wrote (45912)7/18/1999 1:29:00 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
B. Traven. Not Craven. If that matters to you. He was a very good writer, I believe he was of German nationality, and he wrote perfectly grammatical English. I think he was a journalist by trade. Journalists learn the rules of grammar early on.



To: coug who wrote (45912)7/18/1999 1:39:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Coug, I went to your profile, and then to Abbey's Web, but each time I clicked on an entry, I got nothing but a blank page (except for the wrench symbol on the left of the page). Frustrating.

So I went to the wonderful book review link Christopher provided (thanks again, Christopher), and turned up some interesting stuff. The following passage, from a generally favorable review in The New York Times in 1984, suggests to me that you may have gotten some of your dislike for "literary snobs" from Abbey. (My dad, a poet, used to say things like this -- at least until Macmillan published his collected poems. <g>)

Generally, but not always, the East Coast literary establishment, whatever that is, either ignored or ridiculed him. In return, Abbey got mad. He turned into a writer of letters to the editor. In the journals, he attacks just about everyone -- Harper's Magazine, Time, even National Geographic. The respect of his peers was crucially important to Abbey, but he never seemed to catch on to the principle that when you call reviewers "lesbians or New Agers or fem-libbers or (even worse) male fem-libbers or technophiles or self-hating white liberals or right-wing conservatives or Growth maniacs or Negroes or female Negroes or third world lesbian militant Negro poetesses or closet Marxists (Marxoids) or futurologists or academical specialists or Chicano ideologues or ballerinas or Kowboy Kultists or Kerouac Kultists or Henry James Minimalist Perfectionists or one-tenth Chippewa 'Native American' Indians or at very least and all-inclusive Official Correct-Thinking Liberals etc. etc.," as he does in the very last entry before his death, those reviewers will not approach your work with a positive attitude.

search.nytimes.com

Writers are as sensitive as anyone else to criticism, and the history of literature is full of their fulminations against The Establishment. But it is not always advisable to pay too much attention to their fulminations, because they tend to forget the good things critics say about them.

The following article was published in the premier bastion of "literary snobbery," The New York Review of Books, in 1988, a year before Abbey's death. It is a thoughtful and sympathetic examination of Abbey's ideas, and convinced me that he is a writer worth reading. You might find it interesting yourself.

nybooks.com

Joan