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To: Richnorth who wrote (1048)7/18/1999 11:29:00 AM
From: Father Terrence  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1615
 
You have your facts twisted, and this statement:

that mystics are, after all, productive people in a unique way. They tend not to produce material things (they are unmaterialistic people, remember) but create conditions "alchemically" to effect/affect conditions to improve the human condition.

is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

As for Aristotle, it was not his rational philosophy that plunged Europe into the Dark Ages, but Plato's crazed vision of the world. The Dark Ages was the stepchild of Plato. The Great Awakening, or the Renaissance, was the rediscovery of Aristotle.

As for Bertrand Russell, he was a fool and a charlatan, to be dismissed along with other flotsam and jetsam of history.

Newtonian physics is basically correct and still being used in mechanical models today. It was only with the advent of the quantum world and Einstein's breakthroughs in the understanding of physics that part of Newtonian physics no longer applied. It is unfair to blame Newton for holding back advancement. The guilty are the individual scientists that thought Newton was the "end all", the final word. They are the ones who slowed progress. It is the same sort of thinking as that of the head of the U.S. Patent Office in the 1800s who wanted to shut down the office because "everything worthwhile inventing has already been invented".

Terrence



To: Richnorth who wrote (1048)7/18/1999 9:22:00 PM
From: Father Terrence  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1615
 
Perhaps we were damn lucky to have won WWII after all. Did Nostradamus ever predict this?

Renato Vesco is a fully liscensed aircraft engineer and a specialist in
aerospace and ramjet developements. He attended the University of
Rome and, before WWII, studied at the German Institute for Aerial
Developement. During the war, Vesco worked with the Germans at the
Fiat Lake Garda secret installations in Italy. In the 1960's, he worked for
the Italian Air Ministry of Defense as an undercover technical agent,
investigating the UFO mystery.

He writes:

"On November 27, 1944, a B-27 of the United States Air Force, returning from a raid on
Speyer, West Germany, encountered a huge, orange colored light moving upward at an
estimated speed of 500 MPH. When the pilots reported, sector radar had reported
negatively, because nothing had registered on the screen.

But the object seen by the returning bomber was only the first of numerous others spotted
by American pilots over wartime Germany and promptly baptized 'foo-fighters.' Fighter
pilots Falls and Backer, of the 415th Squadron, reported such an encounter a month later
forcing the Air Force to admit that such objects might exist. Later encounters with foo
fighters led experts to assume they were German inventions of a new order employed to
baffle radar.

How close they came to the truth, they learned only when the war was over and Allied
Intelligence teams moved into the secret Nazi plants. The foo-fighters seen by American
pilots were only a minor demonstration, a fraction of a vast variety of methods used to
confuse radar and interrupt electro magnetic currents. Work on the German anti-radar
Feurball, or fireball, had been speeded up during the fall of 1944 at a Luftwaffe
experimental center near Oberammergau, Bavaria. There, and at the aeronautical
establishment at Weiner Neustadt, the first fireballs were produced. Later, when the
Russians moved closer to Austria, the workshops producing the fireballs were moved to
the Black Forest. Fast and remote controlled, the fireballs, equipped with klystron tubes
operating on the same frequency as Allied radar, which could eliminate the blips from
radar screens. This allowed them to remain practically invisible to ground control.

The Nazi Feurball failed to interfere with the Allied air offensive. The foo fighters had been
launched too late and could no longer change the course of events, but in themselves
they were significant not only because they were the outcome of a technical evolution
which could have led to more dangerous weapons, but also because they showed that
Nazi technology had moved in a direction far beyond anything expected by Allied
Intelligence.

As the fall of Germany approached, the Nazi Leaders reverted to an ambitious project
created by Gauleiter Franz Hofer who had become high commissioner for the Italian Tyrol
and the Southern Alps. The project foresaw setting up an incredible fortress in the
mountains, including parts of Italy, Austria and Bavaria. Hofer submitted his plan to Hitler's
aide, Martin Bormann in November 1944, having prepared for this moment back in 1938
when Nazi agents carefully mapped all mountain passes, caves, bridges, highways, and
located sights for underground factories, munitions dumps, arms and food caches. To
complete work on this fortress, Hofer demanded a slave labor force of a quarter of a
million, to be composed of 70% Austrian workers and 30% men of the Tyrolese home
guard.

So-called U-Plants were to be set up underground as gigantic workshops and launching
pads for the secret weapons which were to turn the tide of the war in favor of the Nazis.
Among these were some 74 tunnels along Lake Garda, in Northern Italy, which were to be
adapted and transformed into a vast assembly plant by FIAT of Turin in close collaboration
with the department of Minister Albert Speer. Seven other tunnels along Lake Garda, near
Limone, were to produce several weapons tested at the Hermann Goering Institute of Riva
del Garda.

According to the archives of the German High Command and of the Allied Combined
Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, other plants in vital areas of Central Germany,
code named M-Werke, were to produce powerful missles such as the giant A.9/A.10
destined to destroy New York and Washington. But most important was the Alpine area,
for it was from there that the supreme weapons were to come.

This report, never released by the Allies, was made by a French diplomat. It was
forwarded to Free French Intelligence Headquarters at Algiers. The top secret report
reffered to the blue clouds as something approaching anti-aircraft projectiles based on the
grisou (fire damp) gas found in mines, and which had been succesfully tried against other
bombers over Lake Garda. The French report was intercepted by Italian agents and
deciphered at SID (Italian Counter-Intelligence) Headquarters at Castiglione della Stiviere.
The message was later captured by a military intelligence team operating for the eighth
Army in Italy.

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