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To: Dayuhan who wrote (8850)	7/18/1999 8:14:00 PM
From: Bosco	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9980

<major offtopic, sorry> G'day all - for those of you who are oversea Americans, by now you may have heard the news of John John and his wife and sister-in-law have been lost at sea. While they are merely individuals of no extra ordinary accomplishments, they are the reflection of our hope and losses. Indeed, irrespective of the media saturation, I can say definitely I remember where exactly I was when I heard the late JFK was shot more than 1/4 of a century ago, even though I was 1/2 a world away then and I hardly knew JFK and the fabled Camelot. Then, fate or not, I have since settled in this country and have shared the national psyche, her exuberance as well as her disappointments. So, the possible loss of John John is much more inflective... and in a way, it is a sobering moment to realize how petty sometimes one can be by being rigid with intransigence - and in truth a mere armchair philosopher without the benefits of experiencing genuine joy and woe - when the nation as a whole is full of compassion and longings. So, hope for the best and prepare for the worst, and here's to the lives who might have been forever lost, whether they are ordinary joes and janes, or whether they are the celebrated Kennedys Amazing grace! How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me. I once was lost, but now am found, Was blind, but now I see. 'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, And grace my fears relieved. How precious did that grace appear The hour I first believed. Through many dangers, toils and snares I have already come; 'Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far And grace will lead me home. The Lord has promised good to me His word my hope secures; He will my shield and portion be, As long as life endures. Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail, and mortal life shall cease, I shall possess within the veil, A life of joy and peace. When we've been there ten thousand years Bright shining as the sun, We've no less days to sing God's praise Than when we've first begun. John Newton 1725-1807

To: Dayuhan who wrote (8850)	7/19/1999 7:45:00 AM
From: Liatris Spicata	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9980

Steven- False on a number of accounts. I've never suggested declining to "engage" China. By insinuating that I seek isolation of China- perhaps behind some great wall?- you simply provide a false (intentionally, I suspect) restatement of ideas I have expressed. Lawrence's idea of "paraphrasing", no doubt. The question is the form that engagement should take. Sorry, but when you make a specific allegation of improper behavior on my account, I consider the response "I haven't time to go dredging up old posts to go looking for others" to be rather weak. But at least you were man enough to agree that you did in fact make an "absurd extension" of my ideas in an attempt to discredit them- something I do not think I have done to you. Now, as to the specific example you cited. Yes, I referred to you and those of your persuasion as "apologists" for the current regime in China. You and Lawrence seem to think this serves to indicate my low character: My American Heritage dictionary defines "apologist" as follows: "A person who defends or justifies something, such as a doctrine, a policy, or an institution". I'd hardly say that is a stinging indictment- have you not done exactly that with respect to contemporary China, or have I misunderstood you? What exactly is your problem with being called an apologist- you've made a show of it, but what exactly is your complaint?? What word, may I ask, would suit your delicate sensibilities??? Without a good explanation of: 1) where my description of you is in error, and 2) what is so untoward about the word "apologist", I will consider your complaint to be so much empty posturing. Larry