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To: Ted David who wrote (3174)	7/19/1999 2:04:00 PM
From: Ed Forrest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17683

Ted David Kudos,well said. Ed Forrest

To: Ted David who wrote (3174)	7/19/1999 2:42:00 PM
From: PMS Witch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17683

Good post on a few points ... Separating Fact from Opinion: A good idea at any time. Waiting for Fact before forming an opinion: Hard, but necessary. Keeping the opinion, once formed, to oneself: Really hard. Kudos to those who do. As for writing CNBC, another good point. Don't waste time and energy over things that are beyond your ability to change, but if there is something to be DONE about it, DO it, and then shut up. Don't bitch at the guy out front. Spew your venom at the decision makers, not those trying their best to carry out instructions received from above. And one point you left out: Try to be polite. To conduct yourself with some dignity when you're feeling upset is difficult, but worthwhile. Cheers, PW.

To: Ted David who wrote (3174)	7/19/1999 9:10:00 PM
From: Blue Snowshoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17683

Ted, You are correct perhaps I should address what I see as bad information to CNBC and not you. Please accept my apology but the thread does say " CNBC critique", Critique as in 1) an essay or article containing an analysis of a literary or artistic work; review 2) the art of criticism. I just see you as CNBC or at least a part of CNBC who stays on top of things so it is easy for me to forget and confuse you with management. Perhaps management should answer the fastest means of communication when hype or spin is being aired. As for my comments, the are all facts or as for the crash opinions based in facts. You can wait for an investigation but having flown countless hours, many in military aircraft at high speed and low levels at night, often over water, chances are he didn't know up from down, sideways to be more exact. Fly blindfolded and you will see. You can be sideways in a death spin and never know it because your body doesn't sense it. It is a shame, the guy had style, class, but he was at the time, the Captain of a hand full of plane, that was my point. If you were flying and didn't know up from down and you believed you where about to crash you would think you are pulling up but be putting her in a nose dive that you would not feel. The point I was making it is the Captain choice to take off and fly into the night with few hours under his belt no matter when people showed up. And the Captain ALONE is in fact responsible for his crew. The reporting of a late take off is secondary to the choice to fly, the lack of experience, type of plane, that most people who get killed flying are novice flyers than make a mistake, etc. As for the FAA and NTSB when they tell me why the United Flight went down in Colorado Springs, I'll wait for them to solve something. Until then I'll use own experience. I do believe I saw a man who said he watched them talk for fifteen minutes before taking off so they seemed in no hurry. A very sad situation. Again Ted sorry for directing programming comments about spin to the wrong guy but I was reading English (eg critique). BLUE

To: Ted David who wrote (3174)	7/19/1999 10:09:00 PM
From: Techlad	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17683

This will never be called pilot error,true or not for the same reason Ted was never charged in the drowning.Last name- Kennedy!

To: Ted David who wrote (3174)	7/21/1999 3:04:00 PM
From: Yogizuna	Respond to of 17683

Ted, I was fully absorbed in my stock and index charts the night that JFK-Jr took off west/southwest of me here in northern NJ. In my area, we hear lots of small planes and jets because of Caldwell and Teterboro airports being relatively close by, but the plane I heard that night between 8:30 and 9pm (I was not watching the clock every every few minutes), just did not sound right. In fact, as I was rushing madly through the charts to get them out of the way so my wife and I could have some time together, I said to myself, DAMN!, maybe I should run to the window to see what's up with that small plane! By that time, it's weird sound had faded away, and I thought nothing of it the rest of the night. By the next morning of course, the news of his missing plane was all over the place, but I still did not immediately make the connection with the plane I heard the night before, UNTIL I found out that his plane had taken off from Caldwell (Fairfield) Airport. If that was his plane that I heard, and I am seriously convinced it was, it sounded to me like he was flying too low, and his plane's engine was "not all there". I called the airport on Sunday night to report this incident, and they said it made more sense then the other phone calls that they were receiving, but who really knows? I am convinced that it was his plane that I heard, because for one thing, it is not every day or even every year that I feel like running to the window to check out a plane that sounds strange, and his potential flight path might have taken him over my area. As you can imagine, this hit me pretty hard, as it is such a hopeless/helpless feeling if you know what I mean. Yogi

To: Ted David who wrote (3174)	7/21/1999 11:33:00 PM
From: Jimbo Cobb	Respond to of 17683

Part of the facts IS that Ms. Bessett was tied up at work and as a result they did not leave until much later than expected. It appears this is indeed NOT fact, as it is now being reported that they always intended to leave at that time... Contrary to reports that Kennedy had planned to leave the office early Friday, but was delayed by his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, who had to attend a late meeting at her investment banking firm, sources close to Kennedy said he always planned to leave at 6:30 p.m. Bessette, a principal at Morgan Stanley here, met him at George at that hour, and the two left at 6:45 p.m. for Essex County Airport in Fairfield, N.J., the sources said. Given the clogged state of New York bridges and tunnels at that hour, they did not reach the airport until almost 8 p.m. Carolyn Bessette Kennedy arrived there by car service several minutes later. from... washingtonpost.com Perhaps CNBC should get their facts staight before reporting such hearsay as FACT... Jimbo.

To: Ted David who wrote (3174)	7/22/1999 10:58:00 PM
From: John Pitera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17683

Ted, A very strong and well reasoned post, I don't see why some folks here on SI give you such a hard time. Inherent in your post is that the ONLY reason this could have happened is pilot error. I prefer to wait for the FAA and NTSB to come up with THEIR facts before I render MY opinions and for sure they won't be on the air or here. I think you do a fine Job on Cnbc. And are entitled to combat pay for making the rounds here . I'll send a memo to Jack -vbg- John