>We [both disdain moral disparities]. Hence My Ferocity in the Face of the Misogynist... <
Unfortunately for you, coey, practically everyone is a misogynist.
>LOL! I'm quite surprised that you find Me "desensitized"!<
(grin) Well. I should keep in mind that not everyone here speaks Ebonics as fluently as I. Here is a translation of my statement to standard English: “I find this generalisation of yours concerning women to be unacceptable. It is best that you speak only for yourself.”
>Isn't [your ridicule of the public wailing for JFK Jr. and Princess Di] a bit insensitive to the "feelings" of "identification" and grief over the loss of [those beloved figures]? I think so. I may not understand it, but I see real sadness in some people.<
Perhaps you are correct, coey. I am so dang removed from this sort of grief that it literally appears ridiculous to me. I have tried to replace Di and JFK with public figures for whom I have respect, and while I come up with a sense of misfortune, I yet cannot see myself wailing in the streets like a dang fool.
>You're saying they have "news"...I saw FOX really get off on the wrong foot with Zahn...she was Tickled.<
Well I called them “news” folk, for lack of a better term. The concept “news” is really quite tabloidic these days. I suggest you do what I did and nix the dang tube.
>I can only assume that [by the term rabid-man-hating feminism] you refer to Female Separatists…. I talk about the 90% of the male population, [My Estimate], who truly despise Women and all things Female, such as Empathy, Compassion, Cooperation, etc. They find it threatening to the Established "master/slave order", which is achieved and enforced by the sexual objectification of Women.<
Well coey, to tell you the truth, I speak of about 99% of women, and disagree with your 90% male figure only inasmuch as I think it comes closer to 99% of men. The remaining 2% (%1 each from male and female populations) is comrised of homosexuals, and we may as well throw them into the mix because they sexually objectify each other. Its all sex, coey. Sex makes the dang world go around.
>Not to berate men, however the question is begged...Where are [the "men" who abandoned their daughters?] What caused them to be "absent"?<
They wanted to live in their own way and for themselves, just as did the women. Women ain't these paragons of virtue, coey. They are just as doggish as men. Their doggishness manifests itself differently from men, but it exists, and in precisely as great a quantity as that of men. We see it playing out in the relationship of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Bill is a dog in his own destructive and masculine way. And in her feminine way, Hillary is just as much a dog. Masculinity gone awry is terribly destructive. Femininity gone awry is a remarkable enabler of destruction. We all, men and women are at fault. Where men have preyed upon one another, there have been hordes of silent women enjoying the benefits of the oppression and even enabling the men. I'm sorry, coey. But I simply reject your “male as dog/female as saint” dichotomy. We're all dogs.
>Believe Me, JP...many Women have "had it" from their "fathers"...I would reckon that they are some of the first Women to do as you describe.<
Well we will simply have to disagree here. I find that where fathers consistently treat their daughters with respect from a very young age until adulthood, the daughters enter the world expecting the men they encounter to treat them at least as well as their fathers have treated them. Should such women encounter doggish men, they instantly reject them as unworthies. On the other hand women whose fathers have treated them without respect, enter the world vulnerable to any man who would feign love.
>You're describing a result of Child Abuse...the problem stems from the abuse.<
“Child Abuse” is a subjective term. In my opinion, I am describing what goes on in a tremendous number of American homes. Call it “child abuse” if you will, I think it is quite prevalent in America and has been for decades, perhaps centuries. The problem now, of course, is that in decades past, men at least had to fake some sort of scruples toward the weaker sex. Today, the standard is almost non-existent. Folk think my sons cute, old-fashioned even ridiculous because they stand when a woman enters a room, or because they hold doors for women and behave generally in the manner men of yesterday were taught to behave toward women. Today men can openly treat women like dirt, leave their families, cheat on their wives and still be regarded as a “good man” or a “the greatest President of the century.”
>[Men perhaps] have no respect for Women or Life...the result of the unfortunate positive reinforcement provided by a Misogynistic male culture.<
Then women are the enablers of that culture, and when they kill droves of their own children they prove they have no more respect for life than the men.
>[My father and I] were buddies for most of My childhood. I think he was a great father for 0-12... Then I started to have "opinions". <
Then in my opinion he had not great respect for you even during the ages 0-12.
>He was very much from the schools of, "children are to be seen and not heard", and "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything...", you get the idea?<
Indeed I do. This was common for their generation. I do not agree with it, but it simply was The Way. Getting bitter about it now will not change a dang thing. One thing I believe here is this: Your father never sat down looking with adoring eyes upon his newborn lorrie to plan how best to wreck her life. Like most parents he prolly started out with the best of intentions but with no dang plan, and lacking the character to carry through with his intentions, he never sat down to plan his marriage and trajectory as a father. He just operated on the program written for him by the dang culture. That dang program is nothing great. It gets some folks through okay enough, but a whole lotta folk get wrecked by it. It's a fifty-fifty thing. Funny how folks plan the start of a new business or home. They plan the heck out of their dang weddings. But how much do they plan their dang families?
Personally, I'd cut the guy some dang slack. He prolly was up against all kinds of junk, perhaps even mental illness and chronic depression. In his day you just didn't talk about that kinda junk with nobody. He may have lacked the character to get help and it wrecked every dang thing. That's how it goes in a lotta folks houses anyway. Kids get wrecked like this quite a bit.
Don't mean to preach, and I sure as heck don't wanna turn this dang forum into some kinda twelve-step program. But I will say this: You can decide either to appreciate the fact that you can still breathe and think, that you can still subject your mind and body to the best things this dang earth has to offer, or you can just let your dang father (or whomever) keep ruling your friggin' life. Personally I'd take the former option. In fact, I'd forgive my father (or whomever) from the purest part of my soul, and be free. Too little life left to be dang bitter about anything. And lets face it, coey. You've heard me railing against leftists here and junk, but to tell you the truth, I love the heck outta even leftist folk. People are dang amazing and you know it.
>The "master/slave" training alerted me to the impending oppression that society/culture imposes upon Females.<
Yeah right. Those dang Females are participating in, enabling and enjoying the culture just as they have always. Even in the worst circumstances (take genital mutilation in Muslim countries, for example) women are perpetrators with men. In other cultures men are expected to do some of the weirdest junk. And their mothers are expecting them to do it right along with their fathers. We're all dogs, coey. Surely, due to biology male doggishness shows up one way, and female doggishness shows up another way, but however you slice it, we are all dogs.
>I hate to tell you this, but Girls are vulnerable to men, little boys are vulnerable to men...Women are vulnerable to men, and men are vulnerable to men. There's a pattern here, JP.<
Touche' coey. Nevertheless women are helping here to move things along very effectively. Men have a propensity to destroy. The propensity itself is neutral. It can and has been used to promote the species as well as harm it. But women have leveraged male attributes for their own gain, ala the Clintons.
>[Many women end up] sexually molested/raped/abused/killed, without protection from other men.<
Surely, as harmful physical destruction is perhaps the most salient way the male power attribute shows up when it goes awry. Women's attributes can be used for ill also. They are in many ways subtler, but I think long term they are just as destructive.
>I think My Father did a Fantastic Job of [raising a self-respecting woman!]
Well dang. That's great.
>I agree [that wise loving mothers are required in building loving fathers]. However we live in a culture of "denial". Most Women are beholden to their spouses.<
Well. They should be beholden to one another. I know I am beholden to my wife. Without her, its curtains for me.
>This is a complex issue. At some point, men have to take FULL responsibility for the damage that they seem compelled to inflict. You cannot blame the Woman...we're only 51%!<
Oh no. I do not blame the Woman. I blame the Woman and the Man.
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