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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6903)7/21/1999 5:01:00 PM
From: Ken  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 9818
 
The Antithesis of the Ron theory(believe only good hype).<It's Easier to Tell a Lie That Everyone Wants to Believe Than It Is to Repair Code and Replace Defective Chips.

The economist likes to look at costs and benefits. He says that when the benefits of an action outweigh costs in an individual's mind, he has a tendency to take the action.

What are the immediate risks to a programmer of lying about one's y2k work? None. No one in the final stages of a y2k project can afford to hire another programmer to check out the lies. What are the benefits? He keeps his job.

What are the immediate costs of a y2k project manager of lying to management? None. The managers want to be told lies about y2k progress. They have no way to discover lies. In fact, it's better for them to be lied to. In 2000, they can point the finger at the IT manager and tell the authorities or the jury in the class action lawsuit: "He lied. How were we to know?"

What are the benefits of lying for the project manager? He keeps his job.

In 2000, the y2k project manager will point to the the propeller heads, now bankrupt: "They lied. How was I to know?"

Meanwhile, since everyone is getting lied to, the risks of being singled out in 2000 for lying this year are dropping, day by day. "Everyone was doing it, from the bottom to the top, all over the world." The courts will recognize this and throw out most cases to keep from jamming the courts. Judges like thin dockets.

The public wants to be lied to. If you tell the lie that y2k is just about fixed, you're a public spirited man. If you say that the good news is a pack of self-interested lies, you're a scaremonger, a huckster, or a religious fanatic.

I'm saying it: it's a pack of lies. It flies in the face of too much evidence -- not all the evidence, but too much of it.

Only on one assumption could the good news be true: y2k is inherently a peripheral problem, trivial in its effects.

OK, all you y2k project managers. Stand up and tell us that whatever you have been paid since 1995 has been a waste of money. Tell us specifically that Company A, which spent $100 million get y2k fixed (Real Soon Now), will be no better off in 2000 than Company B, which did not spend a brass farthing because managers knew y2k was a hoax used by guys like you to steal from them.

Let's see who was lying. One group of IT managers or the other has been engaged in massive deception: the "fix it or die" guys of 1995 or the "we've got it just about fixed" guys of 1999.




To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6903)7/21/1999 6:02:00 PM
From: Ken  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9818
 
Ron- Quit calling me a "MAROON" !!! That's not nice!! Ha-ha-ha!!!!!

<<<I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything>>

...Then, enlighten us on EXACTLY why you post the 'be happy everyone' articles and personal essays daily? To entertain us? Writing practice?
Daily finger anaeobic exercise?

The absurdity of some your replies warrants a point-by-point reply!

...Ron:the childishness and outrageousness and absurdity of some of your remarks warrants a point-by-point reply!

But you have apparently convinced yourself that martial law is already a foregone conclusion, which indicates that YOU believe YOU can read CLINTON's mind.

....Did I say foregone conclusion? No, but a very high probability. So do a number of experts inside and outside. Quit altering my statements for your personal slamming agenda.

But as for fearing martial law?? I don't. I fear looters and anarchists far more than US troops in the streets keeping order, no matter what the circumstances.

...I agree with that, espically since I am not IT trained enough to be a candidate for impounding for emergency infrastructure death march duty as you are, per one of the existing EOs (sorry I don't recall the number- you outta find it tho and print it out).

And during the period I was involved in various emergency relief operations, wherein National Guard troops were called in to establish order and prevent looting in the aftermath of various natural disaster, NOT ONCE did I catch a whiff of New World Order conspiracies floating around the Ops Center. NOT ONCE.

....another typical disconnective Ron statement re: NWO conspiracy..why the hell are you including those statements irrelevant to my posts you reply to ??? Or, lacking suitable ammo for your personal attacks, you stretccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
for anything, no matter how disassociated, inane and absurd!!

You've obviously chosen to conveniently forget the fact that Clinton's reputation with the military is about as low as Whale dung.

...true, but SO WHAT???? Another typical Ron disassociative statement!

And without the military, martial law cannot exist.

...I agree- I would have to be an idiot not to! Now come up with intelligent profound statements.

Do you not recall that that memoradum you posted SPECIFIED that national guard troops would remain under the command of respective state governors during Y2K?
....sigh........we have a problem in logical reading skills here...sigh...It specified that, obviously, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF TODAY...they can OBVIOUSLY be SUPERCEDED at any time by Emergency Dec and federalizing the guard! If I was a juvenile name-caller like you, I would have a dictionary full of them to throw at you for such an absurd remark!

Tough to get 50 different governors to kowtow to the White House when they feel their rights as state bodies are being violated.

....Quit using cliches like 'kowtow to' so I will know exactly how you think they would PRACTICALLY resist such a Federal declaration!!!!
Impossible to respond intelligently to meaningless cliches!

Further, that we have technically been in a State of Emergency since the 30s

During which time we have either impeached or came close to impeaching TWO, count 'em, TWO!! US presidents. We have also fought a variety of conflicts, went to the moon (several times), "won" the cold war, seen massive technological progress and wealth created, and remained free enough to permit malcontents like yourself to speak your piece.

....Name-calling is so typical of utra-crackerpollys and DUHnialists when they run out of logical-sounding answers...Its as pitiful and pathetic to use to win a point in formal debate as it is in informal debate here.

....the contuining saga of your remaining disassociative statements above is too irrelevant to waste my time addressing.

So I'll tell you what... if martial law can bring about those kinds of results and maintain the quality of life and personal freedom I'm currently enjoying, maybe it ain't so bad.... <VBG>

.....well, it can hopefully bring about civil control of the potentially rioting masses, and protection for soon-to-be impounded emergency workers like you to try to fix the vital aspects of the infrastructure, but you absolutely show total ignorance of the essence of State of National Emergency and martial law is!

The priority under this state is maintainment of order and continuance of federal authority, NOT ENSURING AND PROTECTING YOUR, RON'S, 'QUALITY OF LIFE YOU ARE CURRENTLY ENJOYING'!!!!!!!!!!
What an egoist!

....Your statement shows so much ignorance in this area, you MUST study all the relevant EOs and PDDs, much less essays on the subject before you can intelligently and coherently discuss this matter, and before i will waste more time addressing YOUR DELUSION THAT MARTIAL LAW AND STATE OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY IS TO ENSURE YOU WILL STAY HAPPY AND ENJOY MOVIES AND NITES OUT ON THE TOWN, .i.e.,"normal life"!!!

You sir, need to have someone retighten that straight jacket so you don't further incriminate yourself as the mentally troubled person you show yourself to be.

...Still can't think of any better debating points, or data, than name-calling and insults? Sad, but...that's the Ron game!!!

State of Emergency since the '30s.... HAHAHAHAHAAA....HAHAHAHA.... Ohhhh... I'mmmm Rolllling from that one..... HEEHEE.

....open books before opening mouth! I think you should do definately do that. A little hint for the helpless...check to see what was NOT cancelled from those times...

What a maroon!!

....a typical Ron attempt for a grand-slam win- more name calling!!!!
But, the laugh is really on you, Ron!!

MAROON is A COLOR, Ron!!!!!!!! Does your mind start turning red after a few such paragraphs as the above tripe ???

Someone, anyone, please inform Ron that MAROON IS A COLOR, so he doesn't have to make an ass of himself again by calling anyone else a MAROON!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!! Too damn funny!!!

Ron is calling me a "MAROON"!!!! Too funny!!!!!!!!

Hey Ron, you are a "maroon' too!!! Guys, I just got even with that one!!!!!! Ha-ha, he-he!!!!!!! ha-ha!!!!!!!!

Ron, you're a riot! Keep posting these for my amusement!!!!