SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Pastimes : Ask God -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: PROLIFE who wrote (26374)7/24/1999 9:39:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 39621
 
Here is a jewish document you may like to critique:

Tertullian wrote this passage late in the 2nd century, CE. In the context he is imagining himself, after Jesus' triumphant return, mocking the now damned Jews for their perversions of of the truth about Jesus (from his point of view). Much of what he accuses the Jews of saying/doing is straight out of the canonical gospels, but some, especially the last phrase, seems to reflect some of the traditions that will later be brought together in the Toledoth Yeshu. [AH]

Tertullian, De Spetaculis 100.30
Translation, quoted from Mead, p. 133.

This is your carpenter's son, your harlot's son;[1] your
Sabbath-breaker, your Samaritan[2], your demon-possessed! This
is he whom you bought from Judas. This is he who was struck
with reeds and fists, dishonored with spittle, and given a draught of
gall and vinegar! This is he whom his disciples have stolen
secretly, that it may be said, 'He has risen', or the gardener
abstracted that his lettuces might not be damaged by the crowds of
visitors![3]

[1] The 'harlot's son' accusation is doubtless a commonplace. It is directly connected with Christian claims of virgin birth, but there is something of a chicken-egg problem. It is easy to imagine such a rebuttal to Christian claims, but it is also quite conceivable that the Christian version is a response to Jewish slanders about his origins. I am inclined toward the former explanation, but arguments can be made for either.

[2] Samaritan. Thanks to Mike Sassanian for reminding me of John 8:48
where Jesus is called a Samaritan and accused of being demon posessed.

[3] Presumably, in this version a gardener who grows cabbages near the
grounds of the sepulcher is irritated by the large numbers of disciples who are trampling his crops when they come to visit the tomb. He solves the problem by moving the body, which gives rise to Christian claims of resurrection. The gardener parallel to the Toledoth tradition is clear enough, although not identical, particularly in motive. What is interesting is the peculiar detail of the cabbage. I am not aware of the Toledoth stories mentioning this, but they do often have Jesus being crucified on a cabbage.
While the context is different, the wild improbability of the recurring vegetable seems too peculiar to be coincidence. There may also be a connection between this gardener and the story in John 20.14-16 where Mary Magdalene, on seeing the resurrected Jesus, fails to recognize him, taking him to be the gardener.