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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (26384)	7/25/1999 2:53:00 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

<< We are not talking about proselytizers of a religion >> If they were not proselytizers, what were they? Who but Christ's disciples spread the religion initially? Why were they called DISCIPLES? Disciples are followers who also spread the word. And if you say that Paul was not a disciple, but spread it: Paul is the archtypical proselytizer. << They were beaten, ostracize and killed for refusing to deny their eyewitness accounts. This fact along points to their stories being true. >> The old "Would they have died for a lie?" argument finally surfaces. The answer, as I said before, is YES. People will die for a lie if: (a) They don't know it's a lie. (b) They have no choice; they will be killed anyway if they recant, so they might as well stick to the story. (c) They see themselves as dying for a higher cause. Religion and patriotism are the commonest of these. And if you wish to stick an insistence that the fact that people are willing to die for their beliefs makes them true, then Islam must be truer than Christianity. The promise of Heaven for the faithful who die for that religion makes them notoriously willing to do so. They have demonstrated it many times and recently, too. People have willingly died for many bad causes. Also, this argument cannot by itself establish the truth of a proposition. It is only a supporting argument: it is intended to increase the credibility of the witnesses. If the witnesses are wrong, lying, or acting from ulterior motives, this argument fails. << you have accepted the Talmudic account >> Boy, did you get a wrong number! I'm am agnostic and atheist on alternate days. There are more things in the world, Horatio, than your philosophy ever dreamed of.