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To: Achilles who wrote (26390)	7/25/1999 9:50:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Respond to of 39621

"Paul's ultimate martyrdom proves that he really believed that Jesus rose from the dead; in itself it is not proof that Jesus did rise from the dead." Achilles, I agree with this statement. But you have to admit something really made him think it happened. I can tell you undoubtedly that it was he knew for a fact that it happened. Heck I know without a doubt it happened.... I humbly suggest you read the book that I posted to you in my last post if you really want to have some proof about Jesus, if you choose to search for the truth at this point in your life. God Bless, Steve

To: Achilles who wrote (26390)	7/27/1999 6:29:00 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 39621

<< he willingness of the early Christians to die for their faith merely proves the sincerity of that faith >> Actually, it doesn't even prove that! < They were beaten, ostracize and killed for refusing to deny their eyewitness accounts. This fact along points to their stories being true. >> The old "Would they have died for a lie?" argument finally surfaces. The answer, as I said before, is YES. People will die for a lie if: (a) They don't know it's a lie. (b) They have no choice; they will be killed anyway if they recant, so they might as well stick to the story. (c) They see themselves as dying for a higher cause. Religion and patriotism are the commonest of these.