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To: truedog who wrote (1862)	7/25/1999 7:34:00 PM
From: chalu2	Respond to of 769670

Oh, now I see, the Japanese atrocities (including the 370,000 killed during the 3 month "rape of Nanking") were justified because of the actions of the Mongols several hundred years before, and were understandably directed against the mongrel Chinese, who are "part Mongol." [Uncle Adolph would have called them "mischlings"]. So the Chinese also (through the actions of centuries-dead ancestors they may or may not have had) "provoked" the Japanese. There is at least a consistency in this line of thought. I'm eagerly awaiting your thoughts on how Hitler was also provoked, now that you've laid out how Japan was provoked by both the Chinese and FDR.

To: truedog who wrote (1862)	7/25/1999 8:21:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

When i said China, I was talking about the government of China which were the Mongols and, as far as I know, assimilated into the local populations and today's Chinese are part Mongol. So, it appears the only problem is semantics. I think most Mongols continued and continue still to live in Mongolia. Of course, some were probably absorbed in the Chinese population so present day Chinese might have a smidgin of Mongol ancestry but one could say the same about almost the entire continent of Asia. I don't think the Mongols had anything to do with Japanese invasion of China. The Japanese government just wanted badly to get into the colonial power game. They invaded every nation they could reach - Korea (first), then Manchuria, China, all the countries of southeast Asia, and the Pacific. Since we are a Pacific nation - Hawaii, Am. Samoa, Guam, Aleutians, and - at the time - the Phillipines, we had territory they wanted. We were attacked for the same reason all the nations attacked by Japan were. Please answer the question of " why was the entire Pacific fleet ordered into Pearl Harbor by executive order against the advice and wishes of every military commander on the scene?". FDR's measures to cure the depression were in trouble and he had to bring about some sort of economic stimulus. Cranking up a war time production was the only way. Though neither of us can prove our beliefs , one way or the other, I hold FDR responsible for every death on that fateful day. TD I can't answer any questions about why components of the Pacific fleet was where they were. But the idea that the Pacific fleet was put in Pearl Harbor for the Japanese to attack is nonsense - unless you can supply some good evidence. Just reasoning about this theory, I'd say that IF FDR planned to provoke war with Japan he would also have planned to WIN that war, therefore he would not congregate his forces in a vulnerable manner just before the attack he was provoking. So if he did have the fleet posted in a vulnerable position in Pearl Harbor, that is in fact a powerful piece of evidence that the Pearl Harbor attack was NOT anticipated by him and that he thought the fleet was safe there. Do you have any sources on the FDR-Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory? Bruce