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To: Father Terrence who wrote (1097)	7/28/1999 3:36:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1615

You are right about one thing, Terrence. Much to my surprise, I find that there actually HAVE been "twin studies" (I wouldn't call them "long-range," though) done "from an astrological viewpoint." But they were done in hopes of proving astrological influence, and thus of demonstrating that astrology was "scientific." (Let me stress here that I am totally skeptical of astrology. And what surprised me was that any reputable scientist would concern himself/herself with it.) However, the only reference I found was to recent work. Nothing going back to the seventies. Here is a relevant passage from an article (by a Jungian), entitled "A Transdisciplinary Approach to Science and Astrology": At this point, we might turn to two recently scrutinized studies that seem to move towards the verification of astrology. Madame Suzel Fuzeau-Braesh, research director at France's National Center for Scientific Research, has demonstrated that 238 pairs of twins with nearly identical charts, but for their ascendants, display behavioral differences which correspond to the meanings of their ascendants. Out of 238 responses, these studies reveal 153 which are favorable to astrology (7). Henri Broch, physics professor at the University of Nice, has exposed myriad deficiencies in Fuzeau- Braesh's work, such as a dearth of numerous parameters, a refusal on the part of the researcher to communicate precise information on the procedures and statistical methods used, hypothetical births, and so on (8). Suzel Fuzeau-Braesh partially addresses these criticisms in her most recent work (9) and has vowed that her experiment will be repeated with a new generation of twins. earthnet.net The article itself is a curious mix of sense and nonsense. (But what else could one expect of a Jungian? <g>)

To: Father Terrence who wrote (1097)	7/28/1999 4:27:00 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1615

Frankly, I don't believe that the guy you referred to was born at the very same instant as you were or that both of you made your first cry (signifying time of entry of a soul into the body) at the very same time. Also, all individuals born at the very same time and place (if that really happened) are not necessarily at the same evolutionary level. Of course, it would be futile for me to go into details as I know you don't believe in such arcane/esoteric matters as past lives and reincarnation. Compared with the other guy, you are an "old soul" who had undergone more cycles of reincarnation and therefore have had more evolutionary experieces/baptisms by fire, acquired more knowledge, skills and talents etc. than the other guy had and therefore you may be said to be hailing from a higher level of evolution. Hence the differences! I am skeptical that the other guy was born at the very same instant as you were. That could have been fabricated by you to press home a point. It was impossible for you to know that first hand. I suppose that piece of info was passed to you by the nurses/doctors or by your folks who took the trouble to record the birth events with stop watches and closed-circuit TV, eh? Are they really that accurate or reliable? You certainly have a wonderful sense of humour! I am a bit skeptical as earlier you had tried to ridicule/"debunk astrology by telling me falsely that a long-term computerised astrological study was done on twins when nothing of that sort had occurred. What storm? What sea? Me a drowning man grasping at driftwood or whatever in a storm-tossed sea? No way! That's is just your point of view, not mine. Well, if that pleases you, it's fine by me! As far as I am concerned, I have given you a rational explanation, and I am as happy as ever as an astrology buff! who had shared some information. BTW, King George III of England and a commoner were said to have been born on the same day and at the same time (which I doubt!) in different parts of London. Of course, they existed in different environments, and vastly different societal, educational and cultural levels! One was a King while the other was a pauper. Yet it was recorded both had similar personality traits, and similar likes and dislikes and both were prone to the same ailments. Both married on the same day and both passed away years later on the same date.