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To: Neocon who wrote (47555)	7/28/1999 3:21:00 PM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

I concur with your observations and add one of my own, i.e., that nobody has traded on the appeal of "the King" and Kennedy more that Clinton. I have long felt that the great liar was also our leading Elvis imitator, hence his overt and subliminal appeal. And anyone who has ever examined JFK1's public speaking style can see the way the great liar apes the gestures of JFK1, especially the arm movements and hand gestures. The great liar constantly insinuates himself in the lives of the real Kennedys, vacationing in their world and with their friends. As for their private lives, as JFK emulated the ficticious James Bond, the great liar emulated the real JFK, in his trailer trash sort of way.

To: Neocon who wrote (47555)	7/28/1999 3:22:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Of course, you are right, Neocon. I don't have much time at the moment, so a few brief comments will have to do. Some "celebrities" do attain iconic status -- Elvis is the most obvious case in point. At the same time, that does not mean that they are "icons" for everybody. Personally, I never did understand the Elvis phenomenon. For one thing, I never listened to pop music, so I did not understand what the who-shot-John was all about. Not too long ago, however, I watched an Elvis biography (A & E??), and got a glimmering -- just a glimmering -- of what it was that made people worship him. (For one thing, he really could sing the blues -- which I like.) Part of it all may have been that he, too, was one of the "early departed" that I referred to in an earlier post. Same thing with "Camelot." I, personally, never bought into that. Although I voted for JFK (reluctantly), he was, to me, the guy who hollered about a non-existent missile gap, and advised us all to build our own bomb shelters (!! I lived in NYC at the time, what a joke!). And Jackie had a teenager's voice. "Camelot" was originally just a media creation. What gave it staying power, I think, is that the central figures -- JFK, RFK, and now JFK Jr. -- died tragically, and tragically early. The early departed..."Camelot" as nostalgia for the Golden Age, which like all legendary Golden Ages, never actually existed...