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To: The Philosopher who wrote (47748)	7/28/1999 10:41:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I'm not going to stoop to trading insults with you, CH. I can tell you that you believe, or think you believe, a lot of fine-sounding things that contradict each other totally. Depending on what fine-sounding thing is most likely to win the point you are trying to make, that's the one you'll advance. When a different fine-sounding thing becomes more useful to you, that one is advanced, without regard of the fact that Thing One and Thing Two can't coexist, and are antithetical. I can also tell you that you have no idea what I'm talking about.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (47748)	7/29/1999 1:21:00 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Oh CH--- I hope you are kidding. Your post made me laugh SHE HIT ME FIRST! That may sound like logic to you, but it sounds like my kids to me THe second part of your post I'll take more seriously. Even after all these years, it upsets me to hear someone so ready to criticize the workers in the trenches with little understanding or compassion for what is often a thankless job. You make such a huge generalization about social workers--what amounts to a blanket condemnation of us- that it filled me with despair. I have no idea how many workers you've worked with, or under what circumstances, but you, as an attorney, have to know that your statement was unfair and either ignorant or meant to incite. I was a probation officer for three years and a social worker for six. I worked a normal workday 8-5, though I was always on call for my own cases, and then every three or four weeks I was on call 24 hours a day for seven days for all protective service emergencies. I was called out in the middle of the night to remove abused children, to deal with elderly people on the streets, and to help police with runaways. I've had parents curse me, kids hit me, and policemen yell at me. I've had kids knock on my door in the middle of the night begging me to let them stay with me, I had a foster parent attack me sexually, I cleaned up a bloody bathroom after a teenager tried to slit her wrists, and I wept with a child through her abortion. For this, I received at the top in 1980 about 7500 a year. I worked with attorneys, judges, parents, police, psychologists, doctors, and I fought for what I thought was best for each child. Sometimes that was for a return to bio parents, sometimes for removal from a home, sometimes it required placing a child in detention or worse in a state home. Social workers have their hands tied in many ways by the courts and the system; they are ill-paid, and often young and inexperienced, but overall they are doing the best they can in a shitty situation. I don't remember ever making a decision for or against a placement without a thorough home study. If a decision had to be made quickly, it was done always with the child's safety as the priority. I seldom thought I knew for sure what was right, but I had to act as if I did. Too many people who have never gotten their hands dirty in the muck are quick to sit in judgment on those who are daily immersed in it. I find that very unfair.