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To: t2 who wrote (27628)	7/31/1999 1:31:00 PM
From: blankmind	Respond to of 74651

tech2000 - in the 1960's, Liberal Democrat politicians in NYC came up with a way to combat a rising homicide rate. They all but banned handgun ownership. What happened: Homicides went up from 400/yr to 2,000/yr - in fact, Wash DC has even tougher gun control laws - & I think the #1 murder capital in America - In Wyoming, which is conservative & not run by Clintonista Democrats, gun ownership rate is higherst in country & homicide rate almost non-existent. - so it's not gun ownership, rather, it's Democrats & liberals running the Justice System that's the problem

To: t2 who wrote (27628)	7/31/1999 2:12:00 PM
From: PMS Witch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

Off topic ... Police and gun stuff ... I think the front line police officers, as opposed to the chiefs, originally supported those who opposed additional gun regulations. I belive they saw those who currently legally own guns as not being a great threat to the peace of society, but the scarce resources which would need to be re-deployed by the new plan would cause serious compromises in public safety. Also, I believe they're doing the best job they can in an increasingly difficult environment. The public is quick to 'unleash the hounds' any time an officer makes a split-second decision. In the secure comfort of a downtown office, after much deliberation and fact-finding, it's easy to review how the officer should've acted, but, in the alley at midnight, under the threat of death or serious injury, with only seconds, the cop must respond. I think our police is the only part of our justice system that comes close to functioning properly. Once the investigation is finished, the criminal identified and apprehended, the courts take over. I don't know which is in worse shambles our court system or our penal system. Court decisions seem to defy common sense daily. Let's not get onto trial expenses, press coverage, and our judges behaviour on and off the bench. Moving on to our penal system -- I believe those who leave prison better people than when they entered are very, very, rare individuals. (When we had capital punishment, a few left as better people, in coffins!) Anyway, it must be discouraging for a police officer to do his best to protect society only to have the bad guy turned free almost before the ink dries on the report. On top of this, the public blames the cops for the situation. The rot is at the top, not the bottom. Cheers, PW.