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To: daffodil who wrote (7526)	7/31/1999 10:57:00 PM
From: Ken	Respond to of 9818

<We spoke with Clorox the other day, and have some very important news for everyone. Clorox strongly discourages the use of any of their laundry products for storing water. The bleach method for the long term storage of water is very dangerous. I recommend the use of Aerobic 07, or some other non-toxic water treatment designed for human consumption. If you have questions about Clorox, just give them a call at 800-292-2808. If you want to know more about Aerobic 07, please visit our web site. Best Regards, Researcher Bob y2konline.com

To: daffodil who wrote (7526)	7/31/1999 11:03:00 PM
From: Ken	Respond to of 9818

RE; Sewage backup article- really techie! . Drain in basement floor. G. Property sewer line to the street After studying the Mechanical Engineering texts I have, and consulting with a Mechanical engineer, the Bernoulli equation was used to determine the pressure. This formula discusses such data points as Pressure, elevation, velocity, specific weight of the fluid and gravitational acceleration constants, and produces data in its least useable format. For instance velocity is expressed in furlongs per fortnight. (just kidding) Since I don't use decimal points in estimates, and the pressure rounded to 20 pound increments is adequate for the application of a plug, I've tried to simplify the application. What you need to know to compute the maximum pressure on a drain. a. the distance in inches from the drain to the top of the stack or vent. b. The diameter of the stack. The formula is A Multiply the diameter of the stack by the diameter of the stack (square it) 4 x 4 = 16 B. Multiply the results of A above by .8. (actually .7854) 16 x .8 = 12 C. Divide 231 (cubic inches per gallon) by the result of B above. 231 / 12 = 20 (19.25) D. Divide the distance to the top of the stack in inches by the results of C above. (round up) 120 \ 20 = 6 E. Multiply the results of D above by 6.5 (weight of one gallon of water) 6 x 6.5 = 40 pounds (actually 39) Forty pounds is roughly the maximum pressure on a drain 10 feet down from the top of a 4 inch waste stack. In all likelihood you do not have a 4 inch stack. It's probably a 3 inch ID pipe. Measure it and do the arithmetic. Then put in a plug that will withstand the computed pressure. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM When to install the plugs. How will you know when to install them? If you install plugs in the basement drains, you will probably have sewage in the streets before you have sewage on the main level or upstairs. Not necessarily, but a safe bet. When that occurs, install all the plugs. After the plugs are installed, your way of life will change dramatically! Even if you have potable water, you have no toilet facilities. You will have to find an alternate solution. Every situation is different, but here are some suggestions. a. Find public restrooms you can use that are still functioning. b. Use a thunder mug for inside use, and pour it into a holding tank outside. The holding tank will have to be emptied after the emergency is over. The holding tank must be covered and sealed if possible. c. Relocate to an area where warm weather procedures can be used. See FEMA's recommendations for warm weather disposal. I'm no physician, but cholera, typhus, E-coli, and maybe even hepatitis are dangers at this point. Much care and liberal use of disinfectant are called for. Work with your neighbors and the local government to set up a early warning system. Good Luck -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roleigh Martin ourworld.compuserve.com ( easy to remember alias is: webalias.com ) (A Web Site that focuses on Y2k threat to Utilities, Banks & more) To subscribe to free e-letter, fill in the form at the bottom of the page: ourworld.compuserve.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" message to roleigh_for_web-unsubscribe@egroups.com Print out this Y2K brochure to give to your neighbors, friends & relatives: ourworld.compuserve.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Backing up has never been easier. Here's an automatic, Hassle free way to protect your valuable data without Extra hardware. Download, install and try @Backup. offers.egroups.com

To: daffodil who wrote (7526)	7/31/1999 11:06:00 PM
From: Ken	Respond to of 9818

Another excellent sewage backup techie article- maybe someone here can suggest a simple solution. <<<I had the pleasure of meeting Jack Brown this last weekend. I think of him as a systems programmer of Y2K preparations. His technical background is systems programming by the way. I recommend you check out his web site. He has a newsletter you can subscribe to as well. As you can see below, his advice is very well researched. He gave me permission to reprint some of his newsletter material. Some people have written about having a plumber install a special valve--I asked my plumber about it and a cost to do this in a retrofit manner (as opposed to a house being built) is quite expensive--between $1,700 and $2,500. Jack's advice is probably less than $40 expense. Roleigh ----------------------------------------------------------------- northern-survival members - northern-survival.com Northern-Survival February 03, 1999 There have been many suggestions on how to prepare for the sewage backup problem, should it occur. They have all been on the physical preparation, and none on the early warning method. [snip] Pressure is the main concern, so I will attempt to explain the pressure issue as I understand it. The following text diagram is of a typical waste pipe installation. \ roof \| \| ------------------------------------A. Top of Stack \ \| \| \ \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|=============\_/- - - - - B. Drain or stool \| \| \| \|- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C. Ground Level \| \|- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - D. Frost Level \| \|_________________ E. Basement floor \| \|=============\_/ F. Basement Drain \| \|______________________ \___________________________G. Sewer line to the street A. waste systems are vented through the roof. B. Upstairs or main floor sink, shower, or tub drain or stool. C. Grade of the yard. D. Depth of frost. E. Basement Floor. F. Drain in basement floor. G. Property sewer line to the street After studying the Mechanical Engineering texts I have, and consulting with a Mechanical engineer, the Bernoulli equation was used to determine the pressure. This formula discusses such data points as Pressure, elevation, velocity, specific weight of the fluid and gravitational acceleration constants, and produces data in its least useable format. For instance velocity is expressed in furlongs per fortnight. (just kidding) Since I don't use decimal points in estimates, and the pressure rounded to 20 pound increments is adequate for the application of a plug, I've tried to simplify the application. What you need to know to compute the maximum pressure on a drain. a. the distance in inches from the drain to the top of the stack or vent. b. The diameter of the stack. The formula is A Multiply the diameter of the stack by the diameter of the stack (square it) 4 x 4 = 16 B. Multiply the results of A above by .8. (actually .7854) 16 x .8 = 12 C. Divide 231 (cubic inches per gallon) by the result of B above. 231 / 12 = 20 (19.25) D. Divide the distance to the top of the stack in inches by the results of C above. (round up) 120 \ 20 = 6 E. Multiply the results of D above by 6.5 (weight of one gallon of water) 6 x 6.5 = 40 pounds (actually 39) Forty pounds is roughly the maximum pressure on a drain 10 feet down from the top of a 4 inch waste stack. In all likelihood you do not have a 4 inch stack. It's probably a 3 inch ID pipe. Measure it and do the arithmetic. Then put in a plug that will withstand the computed pressure. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM When to install the plugs. How will you know when to install them? If you install plugs in the basement drains, you will probably have sewage in the streets before you have sewage on the main level or upstairs. Not necessarily, but a safe bet. When that occurs, install all the plugs. After the plugs are installed, your way of life will change dramatically! Even if you have potable water, you have no toilet facilities. You will have to find an alternate solution. Every situation is different, but here are some suggestions. a. Find public restrooms you can use that are still functioning. b. Use a thunder mug for inside use, and pour it into a holding tank outside. The holding tank will have to be emptied after the emergency is over. The holding tank must be covered and sealed if possible. c. Relocate to an area where warm weather procedures can be used. See FEMA's recommendations for warm weather disposal. I'm no physician, but cholera, typhus, E-coli, and maybe even hepatitis are dangers at this point. Much care and liberal use of disinfectant are called for. Work with your neighbors and the local government to set up a early warning system. Good Luck --------------------------------------------------------------------------

To: daffodil who wrote (7526)	7/31/1999 11:11:00 PM
From: Ken	Respond to of 9818

2 more sewage backup articles; I bet bearcub is an expert on this.. << "The approach that I heard about was to stuff a "nerf" football (the stiffer type of nerf ... not just the really porous type of nerf) into the toilet bowl. It conforms well to odd shapes. Then place a sandbag on top to help ensure that it does not pop out. I do not personally know whether this is an effective approach." Snyder -------------------, I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba about 2 hours drive north of Grand Forks, N.D. We're on the Red River flood plain as well. As far as I know the only sure way to prevent a toilet from backing up is to remove it and cap the drain...but I heard a story from an oldtimer who went through the 1950 flood up here and he said that he filled small gunny sacks with flax seed and put one in each of his drains. The water caused the seed to swell thereby sealing the drain! Said he didn't get a drop of sewage (back-up). Nowadays people get "back-up" valves from their local plumbing/hardware store. Hope that helps. Regards, Bob Greenhalgh Roleigh Martin wrote: > Jack Brown provided permission to reprint this. He informed me that > since writing this he has heard that sand bags were used in Fargo to > stop toilets from "backflowing." Does anyone on this list have any > additional information to confirm or finish out Jack's research below? > > Jack's web site was recommended to readers of Victor Porlier in > Westergaard Year 2000. I'm fortunate that he lives in our metro area. > > --Roleigh > > northern-survival members - northern-survival.com