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To: GuinnessGuy who wrote (23550)8/1/1999 9:06:00 AM
From: J Fieb  Respond to of 29386
 
Thanks for the post Craig S. gives us more to hope for....

Here is the outline of the Nov. FC conference that DN gave a link for on the FC future thread......

vember 1999

0700-0900Registration/Coffee0830-1200Tutorial Series 1
T1A. Introduction to Fibre Channel
Instructor: Ed Lee, Fibre Channel Group
T1B. Fibre Channel in IT
Organizer: Bruce Biggs, Litton PRC
Participants:
Bruce Biggs and Tom Houston, Litton PRC, “Future Technical and Business Impacts of Fibre Channel Technology on the IT Enterprise in the 21st Century”
Don Wenninger, Vixel, “Fibre Channel Adoption in the Data Center”
Tom Lahive, StorageNetworks, “Storage Outsourcing”
T1C. TBD
Instructor: TBD1000-1030Coffee Break1200-1400Afternoon Registration1200-1330Lunch Break1330-1700Tutorial Series 2
T2A. Switched Fabric
Instructor: Joe Mathis, Medusa Labs
T2B. TBD
Instructor: TBD
T2C. Cabling/Interconnect for Gigabit Networks
Instructor: Bruce Sinnott, Champlain Cable
Experts on Cabling Panel:
Chairperson:
Panelists:
Lisa Huff, FCI/Berg Electronics
Michael Karg, Madison Cable
Ken Hall, AMP
1500-1530Coffee Break1700-1900Issues Roundtable
Topic: What Should Users Expect from a SAN - And at What Price?
Organizer: Mark Brownstein, Computer Technology Review
Panelists:
Barry Burke, Mercury Computer Systems
Al Lounsbury, EDS Systemhouse
Doug Fierro, EMC
Kevin Liebl, MTI Technologies
Tom Clark, Vixel
Bill North, Veritas Software

Wednesday, 03 November 1999

0700-0900Registration/Coffee0830-1000Keynote Address
Introduction: Ralph Barker, Performance Computing
Speaker: Richard Lary, Compaq, “Storage Area Networks: The Shining Vision, The Gritty Reality”
1000-1030Coffee Break1030-1200Session 101 - Storage Applications
Chair: Marty Foltyn, BitSprings Systems
Paper Presenters:
Alan Johnson, Eurologic Systems, “SAN - The Answer to Vertical Market Needs”
Michael Walton, Seagate Technology, “SAN Doesn't Cost...It Pays”
Brad Kline, MountainGate, “Distributed File Systems for Storage Area Networks”
Brian Reed, Vixel, “SAN Management”
Tom Lahive, StorageNetworks, “Storage Outsourcing: An Innovative Solution to an Ever Increasing Problem”
Jonathan Otis, ADIC, “The Real Story Behind Fibre Channel Backup”
Session 102 - Networking Applications
Chair: Fred Gribi, Gribi & Associates
Paper Presenters:
Thomas Raeuchle, Ancor Communications, “A Mechanism for Bandwidth Allocation for SANs”
Tom Petrocelli, ATTO Technology, “Storage Networking Computing Devices: Thin Servers for Your Storage”
Paul Massiglia, Quantum, “Alternative Models for Storage Devices”
Rich Lautzenheiser, Hewlett-Packard, “SAN Interoperability”
Scott McIntyre, Legato Systems, “SAN and the Information Availability Continuum”
1200-1330Lunch1200-1830Exhibits Open1330-1500Session 103 - Realtionships with SCSI
Chair: Brian Berg, Berg Software Design
Paper Presenters:
Mike Befeler, Benchmark Tape Systems, “Tape Automation and the Migration from SCSI to Fibre Channel”
Mike Smith, Emulex, “Fibre Channel Moves to Center Stage”
Nick Harris, Crossroads Systems, “Serial I/O and Its Relationship to Fibre Channel”
Skip Jones, Qlogic, “TBD”
Alan Land, JNI, “Management of SCSI Drives from a Fibre Channel Controller”
Session 104 - Storage Area Networks
Chair: Logan Harbaugh, Information Week Labs
Paper Presenters:
Ed Frymoyer, EMF Associates, “SANs: A growing Industry”
Bob Woolery, DataDirect Networks, “TBD”
Greg Schulz, MTI, “SAN Security and Performance”
Phil Black, Box Hill Systems, “Real Life SAN Applications”
Nigel Squibb, Storage Area Networks Ltd, “SAN in the WAN”
Mike Kane, Emulex, “TBD”
Randy Johnson, Legato Systems, “Applications in an Open SAN Environment”
1500-1545Coffee Break1545-1715Session 105 - RAID Systems
Chair: TBD
Paper Presenters:
Martin Bock, Storage Concepts, “Real-Time RAID Using Fibre Channel Technology”
Fred Bedard, Ultera, “Backing up @ the Speed of Light”
Kris Land, Land-5, “Insuring the Reliability of Fibre Channel RAID Storage”
Larry Fox, nStor, “Making the Right RAID Decision”
Session 106 - Users' Roundtable (Panel)
Chair: Dave Simpson, InfoStor
Panelists:
Cliff Raines, Integrated Archive Systems
Myron Rodney Sees, Chevron Information Technology
Kevin Fredericksen, Fidelity Investments
1700-1830All-Industry Reception1000-1700Open Tutorials
1000-1100 Open Tutorial A1 - Fibre Channel Product Review
Presenter: Ed Frymoyer, EMF Associates
1100-1200 Open Tutorial A2 - SAN Software
Presenter: Barry Burke, Mercury Computer, “Intelligent SANs - A Systems Software Perspective”
Chris Stakutis, Mercury Computer, “Sharing Data on a SAN Now”
1200-1300 Open Tutorial A3 - Real-Life Guide to SAN Implementation
Presenter: Kevin Metcafe, Intelligent Solutions
1300-1400 Open Tutorial A4 - SAN over WAN: The Next Forntier
Presenter: Mark Knittel, CNT
1400-1500 Open Tutorial A5 - Serverless Storage
Presenter: Tim Williams, CrosStor Software
1500-1600 Open Tutorial A6 - Plastic Optical Fiber: Easy Handling and High Bandwidth
Presenter: Masaki Naritomi, Asahi Glass
1600-1700 Open Tutorial A7 - Market Analysis Panel
Chair: Marc Farley, IDIX
Panelists:
David Hill, Aberdeen Group
Anil Vasudeva, IMEX Research
Dave Doering, TechVoice
Steve Denegri, Morgan-Keegan
Paul Borrill, Quantum
Ahmad Zamer, ATTO Technology

Thursday, 04 November 1999

0800-0830Registration/Coffee0830-1000Session 201 - Future of Fibre Channel
Chair: David Hill, Aberdeen Group
Panelists:
Tom Rauscher, Digi-Data
Carla Kennedy, Ancor Communications
Bill Clemmey, Quantum
Erik Ottem, Gadzoox Networks
Skip Jones, Qlogic
James Opfer, Dataquest
Mike Fitzpatrick, Fujitsu Computer Products
Session 202 - High Availability Systems
Chair: Anil Vasudeva, IMEX Research
Paper Presenters:
Bob Lai, Ark Research, “High Availablity SANs”
Mike Jensen, Artecon, “Outage-Proof Your Web Tone”
Tim Hornback, Vitesse Semiconductor, “New Strategies in Enclosure Management”
Randy Johnson, Legato Systems, “Using SANs as a Platform for High Availability”
1000-1045Coffee Break1000-1400Exhibits Open1045-1215Session 203 - Storage Management Software
Chair: Dave Doering, TechVoice
Paper Presenters:
Michael Kramer, B&L Associates, “Managing Media in Networked Environments”
TBD, Retrieve Inc., “TBD”
Richard Munroe, Acorn Software, “Application Driven Storage Management”
Steve Georgis, Exabyte, “Storage Management Software: The Secret Ingredient in a Network Storage Architecture”
TBD, Computer Associates, “TBD”
Winston Hait, Syncsort, “The Basics of Configuring a Network Backup”
Session 204 - Cabling Interconnect Issues
Chair: TBD
Paper Presenters:
Eric Montgomery, Litton ACD, “Solutions for Electrical Transmission at 2.4 Gbps and Beyond”
Graham Campbell, Illinois Inst. of Tech, “Can Channels Be Better Allocated on Shared Fiber?”
Lisa Huff, FCI/Berg Electronics, “Fibre Channel Cabling/Interconnect Solutions”
Jim Allen, Sumitomo Electric, “TBD”
0900-1400Open Tutorials
0900-1000 Open Tutorial B1 - Seamless Fabrics: SAN/LAN/WAN Fusion
Presenter: Marc Stainer, Dragon Slayer Consulting
1000-1100 Open Tutorial B2 - RAID & SANs = Continuous Availability
Presenter: Greg Schulz, MTI Technologies
1100-1200 Open Tutorial B3 - TDB
Presenter: Andy Campbell, BMC Software
1200-1300 Open Tutorial B4 - VAR/Integrator Panel
Chair: Jan Stafford, VARBusiness Magazine
Panelists:
Scott Robinson, Datalink
Charlie Cohen, Media Integration
Kevin Metcalfe, Intelligent Solutions
Bruce Biggs, Litton PRC
1300-1400 Open Tutorial B5 - Fibre Channel Testing Panel
Chair: Joe Mathis, Medusa Labs
Panelists:
Ellis Goldberg, Finisar
Jan Dedek, Ancot
Greg Beutler, Xyratex
Terry Spear, Breakthrough Systems
Mike Miller, Peripheral Test Instruments
Steven Bucher, I-TECH
1215-1400Luncheon1400-1600Tutorial Series 3
T3A. SANs: Real World Solutions
Instructor: Scott Robinson, Datalink
T3B. IP Over Fibre Channel
Instructors: Hu Yoshida, Hitachi



To: GuinnessGuy who wrote (23550)8/1/1999 10:57:00 AM
From: George Dawson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29386
 
Craig,

Good question. I think the release is interesting in a couple of areas. SCI has been around for a while and on the face has higher theoretical throughput than FC. It now appears to have been dropped because of higher overhead.

Sequent appears to be using the switched fabric to carry TCP/IP and using the fabric to interconnect all of the clustered disks to the processors. The last reference I can recall on the Sequent system the FC fabric was described as a cascaded system, with a software solution to maintain efficient traffic.

It will be interesting to see the final Sun solution. It may be fibre channel, but I think it is more likely to contain a different solution. I think it is possible to use a different low-latency switching modality for processors and still cluster disks on FC fabrics.

George D.



To: GuinnessGuy who wrote (23550)8/1/1999 4:41:00 PM
From: George Dawson  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 29386
 
Craig,

This is the commercial version of the NCSA cluster I referenced in my initial response. It is a Clariion whitepaper:

clariion.com

The consortium on this white paper appear to be supporting VIA in a big way and a specific proprietary switch. VIA can also be supported by FC gear as noted in this Edwin Lee reference:

performancecomputing.com

See the paragraph "VI mappings" near the end.

At this point it seems that VIA adapters and routers with their lower cost, lower latency, and higher bandwidth have the competitive advantage. Even though FC port costs are probably dropping fast the I/O characteristcs of the VIA networks are better for specific types of processor clustering (FC may still be better for large files). The Clariion whitepaper makes me think that it is basically a clustered form of NAS. One of the advantages of NAS is that adapter costs are minimized. Either way - I think FC switches will still be needed to cluster big disk arrays.

George