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To: Kashish King who wrote (3243)8/2/1999 10:02:00 PM
From: i-node  Respond to of 5102
 
Java is simply the best general programming language ever developed and the Java environment is getting close to being top-notch as well ... Let me suggest that anybody who thinks Java is just a language consider that there are several compilers available for the JVM from Ada to Rexx to Lisp.

Hmmm. Seems like I remember these same words on the old Borland thread about 3 or so years ago (I'll leave off the reference to all the good stuff that was going to happen overnight, or at worst, within a few months -- you know, like how no other language was going to be in use within a few months, all other languages were finished, etc. -- and now we here you're still writing damned VB).

Reality: I'm still waiting for those thousands of Java apps to make their ways onto store shelves. While you can find good applications for Java, it is far from becoming a "general purpose" language. I'm sorry, I just don't see the real innovation here. As I have pointed out in the past (again, 3 or so years ago) the JVM is not radically different on any conceptual level from the runtime system used by Ryan-McFarland in its COBOL and FORTRAN products of the late-70s. I'm certain these concepts substantially predated RMCOBOL. There is fundamentally no difference between a JVM and a "c++ VM" or a "Delphi VM" or any other brand of VM. And my guess is we'll see all these other "VMs" before it is over with. Java may yet become a language, or may become a remnant of the past just as has every langauge from APL to ALGOL. But it isn't here YET. IMHO.