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To: one_less who wrote (57966)	8/3/1999 9:44:00 AM
From: pezz	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 67261

<<Any supreme being implies supremely above the laws of the supreme being's creation.>> The traditional view of supreme being would of course meet your criteria. But since this is a debate I am not constrained by any such view. Suffice to say I can see the possibility of a motive.... if you will ....for creation that may well be satisfied with the simple creation of the laws of physics ....add in unlimited time, matter, and energy ...and voila'!.......the desired effect is produced.....Whatever that may be...Eveloution and natural selection simply are an inevitable result of these laws . In effect...and/or simply put.....God wants life..creates physics waits a few billion [give or take ] years and...Presto.... life.... intelligent if so desired ...is created. ....End of task. <<It is only your stubborn insistance that it has to start from the simplest and grow to the most compex and advanced that is at issue, I guess.>> Not stubborn at all. It just seems to me that this is the truth based on observable phenomena......until convinced otherwise. <<.It is like on the one hand you have a lucid moral barometer and yet deny the existance of the moral universe.>> I don't believe I deny the existence of a moral universe .by saying that evolution and natural selection have created humanity from a speck of DNA. Perhaps you say this because my moral beliefs don't coincide with your own. << No. The Quran is full of scientific evidence.>>I believe we are getting too far afield here.Does the Quran have hard evidence of creation as explanation for human life? If so I as well as the scientific community am all ears. <<The fact that all the scientists ever created could not replicate even one aspect of the vast complexity of creation is further evidence that supremacy is not an characteristic of the created universe but an all knowing and all powerful being above creation.>>Well this is not a debate about whether or not there is a supreme being . I could take either side of that one.But just for the record just because "scientists ever created could not replicate" it does not follow that there is the existence of a supreme being. <<even if you are successful in clone yourself it would not change anything as I believe the clone creation would be given its own soul. I don't see that as any kind of contradiction.>>......Neither do I. pez