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To: jbe who wrote (1311)8/4/1999 3:15:00 PM
From: RTev  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2340
 
1) You didn't mention what I would have expected to be your major reason for not wanting to keep up the old SI site, which is, that it does not accommodate advertising.

But it does accommodate advertising. Any non-member (or member not logged in) looking at this message in either the "classic" or new SI will see an obnoxiously flashing banner ad at the top of the window.

It sounds to me like the "classic configuration" option is a good compromise. It sounds like "classic" folks would still see the new SI interface any time they ventured out of the message display and would, therefore, sometimes see banner ads, but never with messages.

If they can set the option up in a way that doesn't slow down rendering of messages in the new SI interface, then this strikes me as ideal. One of the things I worried about is having links posted that would take a new SI user back to the old interface (or visa-versa). Setting it up as an option would keep that from happening. Links to messages would -- I assume -- appear in the interface chosen by the user.

The test will be in that "if". Can they get the option implemented in a way that doesn't slow things down for everyone?



To: jbe who wrote (1311)8/4/1999 5:10:00 PM
From: BryanB  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 2340
 
jbe,

Thanks for highlighting some additional issues.

jbe - You didn't mention what I would have expected to be your major reason for not wanting to keep up the old SI site, which is, that it does not accommodate advertising.

I'm glad that you think it's reasonable that we generate revenue (although I'm not sure that every member would agree with you <vbg>). For the record, however, the old SI handled advertising just fine. In fact, ad banners showed up on all of the pages if a non-member was viewing the site. With the new SI, members will still have the ability to turn-off ads in the StockTalk section. Check out the following page for details on the SI advertising policy:
beta.siliconinvestor.com

It *is* true that with the new SI, it is easier for us to sell ad "packages" since the new SI is organized more consistently, i.e. if someone wanted to "sponsor" the Portfolio Tracker pages, it'd be technically easier for us to integrate advertising components specifically into portfolio tracker with the new SI.

And yes, the advertising revenue that we generate from non-members is an important part of our business and one of the main reasons we can continue to offer SI to the lifetime and grandfathered members. Speaking of members, you also asked...

...you wrote that paying members would have the option of turning off the advertising...there is a rumor circulating that in the future, access to SI will be free (which would mean, of course, that there would be no category of "paying member" with "special privileges")....please record straight on this one?

Gladly. As mentioned above, the advertising policy details can be found on a page that we've created for this purpose. Furthermore, we have no intention of making posting on the SI message boards free to the general public. Other parts of the new SI are free, i.e. quotes, news, portfolio tracker, etc. And, of course, you can "lurk" for free. So, perhaps that is how the rumor started.

We will probably make some adjustments to SI membership fees (i.e. I think we gotta raise that lifetime membership - it's too cheap <g>), and we'll run specials from time to time, of course.

You did not address the special concerns of the BrowseMaster folks.

Just to clarify, although I think most of you already know, BrowseMaster is not our product. It was created by a stand-alone guy - Craig Richards - who charged for the product as an add-on to SI. btw - I read in a recent post that Craig has decided to "throw in the towel" on Browsemaster. I can't confirm that, but I think I saw that in the Browsemaster thread.

Since we have no affiliation with Browsemaster, we could not "integrate" it into the new SI. Several members have suggested that we incorporate certain features from BM into SI. View 10 messages was the first. Ignore will be the next. And it won't be the last.

Once you do restore the "lost" features, and add improvements that I would like to see (extended search functions, for example), I personally will probably start using the New SI on a regular basis. But not before!!! :-)

Glad we have at least one potential convert. :-)

Finally, you had some concerns about a "rankings" feature that I mention in a previous post. First of all, I agree that giving each member a "ranking" based on some type of popularity system would be far to open to abuse, and would create quite a bit of unnecessary turmoil on the threads. This won't happen (at least not as long as I'm at the helm).

What I said in my post was that we were looking into a variety of ideas for creating interesting ways to indicate the popularity of a thread, a message or a member.

Looking back, I can see how you inferred an impending "popularity contest", so let me clarify what we're thinking. Right now, we basically have the Hot Subjects List and New Subjects List as the two components for indicating areas of "activity" on the site. The kinds of things that we're thinking about would be new features like multiple hot lists, i.e. a hot-list within a forum, like the hot threads in the bio-tech forum. Perhaps some kind of "cool posts of the day" feature. Those sorts of things.

In short, I think that members will find these components useful, but not controversial.

jbe - I have a confession to make: I was briefly addicted to playing online Hearts. The addiction (fortunately) lasted only about a month.

I hear you on this one. For me, it was othello. I still lapse once in a while, but I've learned to control my need. Really. I'm better now. Anybody want to play?

Thanks,

Bryan



To: jbe who wrote (1311)8/4/1999 10:07:00 PM
From: Zeuspaul  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2340
 
The last one -- rating people

I agree that rating people is not a good idea. The top 100 bookmarked posters is as far as I would like to see that concept go..indeed it is more than enough. I have no use for it.

However, methodologies for rating..ranking.. categorizing threads and posts could be useful IMO.

Sometimes I surf SI. The *most bookmarked* threads has been a useful tool. I would like to see it become a standard feature. The top 100 used to be about the right number. The top 200 seems better now.

The number of posts is an indicator to a thread but if you do not know the thread exists it is of no use.

Categorizing posts also has some value. Sometimes I read a post that I want to reference at a later date. Perhaps a good explanation of how to bold or italicize. Or maybe the description of the status bar or other useful tips. Something that I know will be asked again. I would like to categorize these types of posts..for example put them in a folder *Generic SI FAQ*.

When someone asked the same question at a later date I could go to my FAQ and recall and post the previous answer to the question.

ALSO..If I could make my FAQ folder *public* then others could read the posts in my FAQ.

Hopefully SI will develop a good FAQ for generic SI issues. However there are users that would be willing to put some effort into maintaining a FAQ...perhaps it would be more comprehensive than what SI comes up with.

The same concept could be used for specific threads.

It could be used for something similar to the grammar thread clubhouse concept ( I am NOT suggesting clubhouses be eliminated) For example posts relating to a specific grammar concept could be kept in a folder. Then readers of the thread could view the *public* folders and see groupings of posts that relate to a common issue..

Zeuspaul