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To: grok who wrote (67780)	8/5/1999 10:46:00 PM
From: Elmer	Respond to of 1576880

Re: "What a mysterious sentence. I believe that P856 is the 0.25u process. Does this mean that there was an 0.25u Coppermine? Or are they starting with the 0.25u PIII, shrinking it in a way that doesn't use the full P858 and then adding L2 cache? " There already is a PII with 256K L2 on die. It's called Dixon and it is currently available only as a mobile processor. It's been out for quite a while. EP

To: grok who wrote (67780)	8/5/1999 11:07:00 PM
From: kapkan4u	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576880

RE: <Coppermine will launch at 667MHz because of the holdover P856 version, she said.> <What a mysterious sentence. I believe that P856 is the 0.25u process. Does this mean that there was an 0.25u Coppermine? Or are they starting with the 0.25u PIII, shrinking it in a way that doesn't use the full P858 and then adding L2 cache? Also, wasn't the original plan to intro the 0.18u Cumine at 600 MHz? Now they are kludging around but moving up to 667 MHz. Very strange.> The "holdover P856" version is probably the recently released .25u PIII-600. Starting CuMine at 667MHz would position it as a high-end part, coexisting with the slotted .25u PIII line. This may be a very important clue of a change in the roadmap: continue slotted PIII/PC100/PC133 for a long time, well into the next year. The DRDRAM problems or poor CuMine yields would be behind such change. Kap

To: grok who wrote (67780)	8/5/1999 11:29:00 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Respond to of 1576880

KZNerd - RE: "What a mysterious sentence. I believe that P856 is the 0.25u process. Does this mean that there was an 0.25u Coppermine? Or are they starting with the 0.25u PIII, shrinking it in a way that doesn't use the full P858 and then adding L2 cache?" That statement also confused me. When they said holdover P856 version, they meant the 600Mhz PIII made on Intel's 5% shrunk .25 process. "Also, wasn't the original plan to intro the 0.18u Cumine at 600 MHz? Now they are kludging around but moving up to 667 MHz." If they do come out with a 600MHz Cuontimemine, they will have 3 600MHz PIIIs out. That is sure to confuse potential buyers, even if they are labeled and differentiated with letters.

To: grok who wrote (67780)	8/8/1999 7:56:00 AM
From: Process Boy	Respond to of 1576880

KZNerd - <What a mysterious sentence. I believe that P856 is the 0.25u process. Does this mean that there was an 0.25u Coppermine?> No. Think man :-)! <Or are they starting with the 0.25u PIII, shrinking it in a way that doesn't use the full P858 and then adding L2 cache? > No no no. <Also, wasn't the original plan to intro the 0.18u Cumine at 600 MHz? Now they are kludging around but moving up to 667 MHz. Very strange.> So? Remember Intel was having problems with Coppermine as little as 6 weeks ago. Maybe they've fixed them. Maybe when they fixed them, they REALLY fixed them, and can support >600. Why would it be so mysterious to release the part at >600 if they can get it to work >600? PB