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To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (38478)	8/6/1999 6:17:00 PM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116795

<<beg to differ and hopefully Mark Bartlett could add but if we are forced to eat just meat from huge comglomerates that raise their animals in overcrowded conditions and give them whatever growth hormones or antibiotic hormones or whatever..our health might be affected why are so many foreign countries saying we don't want your hormone>> Speaking of which has everyone heard which farm product has the greatest subsidy it these "free" United States? The Bison! Yes, we are subsidizing the cost of a meat most can not afford because a major producer of this meat is Ted & (Hanoi) Jane Turner! Of the most "evil" of hormones in the beef? Did you know the last shipment of beef rejected by the French was certified "Hormone Free" by a top independent lab. Did you know the "everywhere in the world" that won't allow US beef is really only a few EU countries which have been bullied by some French farmers? Were you aware our All natural (Coleman) beef of Colorado which was even allowed into Scotland as "Natural" and Japan has certified as "hormone free" was rejected by the French? Bobby, It's not about the evil "hormones". Don't be fooled. It's about protection of backward spoiled French farmers.

To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (38478)	8/6/1999 8:14:00 PM
From: d:oug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116795

<< why don't the small farmers start their own mini businesses...>> Bobby, on another thread I also touched on this thru exposure on a family farm, but I have another simply approach to explain my view. Go to any small family farm that functions the way they did back when all farms were that way. You will get a sense of good people wanting to live outside the crowd not only for the wide open space, but unspoken but felt strongly is a desire NOT to live under the conditions presented by the full spectrum of people living together in a tight area like a city. Extreme case is the big city with extremes of wealth and proverty, and good people and bad, and law abiding and criminal activity. Live on a farm as I have, not as a visitor or short time guest, and even if the workers you meet have all those characteristics found in the city, you will find that only hard clean respectful activity is allowed because a farm will not survive unless respect for all things are executed. Any present day small farm still functioning like the above will exist at one small step from failure. Only those family farms that go the route of big farms will survive, but that means cut throat competition and hurt if possible other farmers, and if they need help, don't. All those things that made life of a small farm shine as an example of how people should interact with nature and others, must be denied (aka corrupted). For small farms to join together into a big group is one step away from each farm loosing that which made it a life style, and becomeing like a life in the city. They may appear to be naive and easily con'ed, but what price must be payed by us who obtain the skills needed to live in the city. At the end of each long hard day the farmer has a peace of mind rarely found in the city, whereas the city person must ready for the next day's struggle. doug