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To: Edwarda who wrote (49368)8/6/1999 12:19:00 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
LOL- I hope he meant it as a joke.



To: Edwarda who wrote (49368)8/6/1999 12:34:00 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
Hypertext Webster Gateway: "redundant"
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913)
Redundant \Re*dun"dant\ (-dant), a. [L. redundans, -antis, p. pr. of redundare: cf. F. redondant. See {Redound}.] 1. Exceeding what is natural or necessary; superabundant; exuberant; as, a redundant quantity of bile or food.
Notwithstanding the redundant oil in fishes, they do not increase fat so much as flesh. --Arbuthnot.

2. Using more worrds or images than are necessary or useful; pleonastic.

Where an suthor is redundant, mark those paragraphs to be retrenched. --I. Watts.

Syn: Superfluous; superabundant; excessive; exuberant; overflowing; plentiful; copious.

From WordNet (r) 1.6 (wn)
redundant adj 1: more than is needed, desired, or required; "trying to lose excess weight"; "found some extra change lying on the dresser"; "yet another book on heraldry might be thought redundant"; "skills made redundant by technological advance"; "sleeping in the spare room"; "supernumerary ornamentation"; "it was supererogatory of her to gloat"; "delete superfluous (or unnecessary) words"; "extra ribs as well as other supernumerary internal parts"; "surplus cheese distributed to the needy" [syn: {excess}, {extra}, {spare}, {supererogatory}, {superfluous}, {supernumerary}, {surplus}] 2: use of more words than required to express an idea; "a wordy gossipy account of a simple incident"; "a redundant text crammed with amplifications of the obvious" [syn: {wordy}] 3: repetition of same sense in different words; "'a true fact' and 'a free gift' are pleonastic expressions"; "the phrase 'a beginner who has just started' is tautological"; "at the risk of being redundant I return to my original proposition"- J.B.Conant [syn: {pleonastic}, {tautologic}, {tautological}]

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Hypertext Webster Gateway: "repetitive"
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913)
Repetitive \Re*pet"i*tive\ (r?-p?t"?-t?v), a. Containing repetition; repeating. [R.]
From WordNet (r) 1.6 (wn)
repetitive adj 1: persistently continual; "the bluejay's insistent cry" [syn: {insistent}] 2: marked by tedious repetition [syn: {iterative}, {reiterative}, {repetitious}]



To: Edwarda who wrote (49368)8/6/1999 2:04:00 PM
From: E  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 108807
 
<<<"And saying something is repetitive and redundant is redundant."

As a member in good standing of the Grammar and Spelling Lab tribunal, I concur.>>>

I dissent, if you are generalizing. It is obvious that there are many perfectly good uses of repetition that it would be unreasonable to label redundant. One may repeat for clarity, or emphasis, or for esthetic effect, for example.

Redundancy, in other words, is pointless, or unnecessary, repetition....

As for whether the phrase/name "X the Unknown" is either repetitious or redundant, IMO it is neither (and wouldn't be whether there was a movie by that title or not!)

I am so behind on SI it is disconcerting; and I'm getting behinder every day. Behinder and behinder. <g>



To: Edwarda who wrote (49368)8/13/1999 12:19:00 AM
From: nihil  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
"And saying something is repetitive and redundant is redundant".

"We cannot consecrate, we cannot dedicate, we cannot hallow this ground."

"Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost."

"I went to the animal fair.
The birds and the beasts were there.
....
The elephant sneezed, and fell on his knees,
and what became of the monk, the monk, the monk ..."

"99 bottles of beer on the wall,
99 bottles of beer,
If one of those bottles of beer should fall,
There'd be 98 bottles of beer on the wall.

..."