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To: O'Hara who wrote (505)8/7/1999 10:55:00 AM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 609
 
†...Two process second coming?..It is not written

EXCEPT.......in the books of men ?...†

The rapture theory needs a Two Process Second coming to even have a leg to stand on.!!
There is no such doctrine taught in the word of God!

Some scriptures the "rapture theorists" use to back up their claims of a this "two process"second coming is:

Then two shall be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left. Matt. 24:40
They say the one taken is taken by God in the rapture.

However,look back at vs.36-39 see the subject matter, always note the subjuct matter . Jesus was comparing His second coming, (one process, not two) to the days of Noah. Those who were "taken" were taken by the flood,(which lasted five months), They were ones not in the
Ark!... Gen. 7:24...

Those who will be taken in the last days will be the ones deceived
by satan, the antichrist. Those who were not "taken"in the days of Noah, were in the ark.

It will be no different at the return of our Lord. Today our "ark" is Jesus, the true Jesus, and HIS word not man's.... There is in-fact, as Jesus taught, going to be another flood. A flood of lies, a flood of deceit! (Rev. 12:15) This deceitful flood of lies will
also last five months.(Rev. 9;10)

Rapture theorists also use the following choice scriptures to back up their claim of the..."any moment doctrine"....another lie from satan.

(Luke 12:37-40, Matt.24:36-44, and 1 Thess.5:2. All
scriptures which teach of our Lord returning as a thief,are a warning to those who are no longer waiting for His return! (Those who will when satan appears disguised as Jesus. Which Christians are now no longer waiting for His return to earth? Could it
be those who are waiting to be raptured out of here? I submit to you it will be those who believe that satan is Jesus....the disguise will be unbelievable!! "For if God does not shorten those days even the very elect will be deceived!!! (The words of Jesus)

(Look at 1 Thess. 5;4) Those who are in darkness will No longer be
waiting for Him because they will believe that He has already returned. They will be worshipping the false messiah, the wrong Jesus, the antichrist,satan, disguised as Jesus.

They will be doing his work while waiting for him to "rapture" them out of here. He will be here in his own body (Rev.12:7-12), making peace (Dan. 8:25), and the whole world will whore after him. (Rev.13:3), all except those who have the seal of God in their forehead.(Rev. 9:4)

But ye brethren are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief.1Thess 5:4

That day will not overtake those who know the truth, who know the chronological order of the end times. Who are aware of two facts,
1.that satan comes first as antichrist
And
2. That they will be here when he does come,disguised as Jesus!

Will you be harvested out of season? I pray not, and I pray that your flight not be in winter.

..blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. Luke 23:29
Compare those words of our Lord to the following: "Woe unto them who are with child,and to them that give suck in those days. (Matt. 24:19)

Study also the Parable of the ten virgins, (Matt. 25:1) and compare that teaching of our Lord to (Luke 23:29) and (Matt.24:19) and look very Carefully at the teachings of Paul in (2 Cor. 11:2). All of Paul's teachings were with that in mind- To present us Christians as a chaste virgin, a worthy bride to Christ.... A chaste virgin (spirtually) means a lot more than some Christians have been taught...But I fear said Paul, that satan
also beguile you. Don't be corrupted. Let no man deceive you.

Note the irony of the ten virgins. They were all virgins,(Christians) who were watching and waiting for their bridegroom, but then WHAM, something went awry, and half of those Christians were shut out of heaven.... more specifically the wedding supper of the
Lamb! In short Jesus was teaching that the foolish half ran out of oil(truth).

And what about the "barren" why are the "blessed"? And why "woe" to them that are with child? ....... The barren are those who did not run out of oil(truth), they were waiting for the true Messiah, they had not defiled, nor deceived , they did not sleep with
the enemy. They had remained virgins, (spiritually speaking). They kept themselves for the true bridegroom,
the true Messiah. They had not worshipped the false Christ,the wrong Jesus, the antichrist, satan disguised as Jesus,. They had remained virgins, they had not been spiritually impregnated, they were not deceived, not beguiled nor corrupted, (not with child). Blessed are the barren.!!!!

One must understand that only those who know the truth, and the chronological order of end time events,( those with the seal of God in their forehead), and still do worship the antichrist,have sealed their fate to condemnation. All others will certainly not be worthy to attend the wedding banquet of Our Lord,(THIS INCLUDES THE RAPTURE THEORY GROUP) but will in-fact be taught the real truth and real discipline in the millennium Ez 44-48

This is why God our loving Father provided
the 1000 yr. reign of Christ.!... At which time satan will be bound, so that his evil deceitful ways will not influence them during the teaching (Rev 20:3). At the end of the
millennium satan will then be loosed in order to test and deceive those who he
might.Those who cannot be deceived at this time will in-fact experience the second
ressurection.
____________
____________

The first resurrection is of those who will not be deceived the first time, while on earth,
and will not worship the antichrist. They are the ones who will attend the Marriage
Supper Of The Lamb. But the rest(Rev 20:5-6) those who did not know the truth
because of false teachings and a variety of other reasons, and who will be deceived
while on earth, and do worship the anti christ, instead of attending the wedding feast,
will have to go through the millennium,being taught the difference between the profane
and the holy, the clean and the unclean (Ez 44 v23)It is this group that did not take part
in the first resurrection, that may, if they are not deceived at the end of the
millennium,take part in the second resurrection.

Those who do not experience the second resurrection at the end of the millennium,
because of being once again deceived by satan when he is loosed, will then at that
time, experience the second death, the death of the soul. (Rev 20:11-15).

THE FIRST DEATH:
Is of the flesh, we must all die once (Heb.9: 27) and that will
happen to all who are still alive, at the 7th trump, 1Cor. 15:51-52 ALL changed from
flesh to spirit, ALL flesh will at this time die.

THE SECOND DEATH:
Is of the soul.(Rev. 20:14)although we have changed from
flesh to spirit, some souls are still mortal, and liable to die, at the last day of the
millennium, on judgement day. Some will immediately be resurrected, at the start of the
millennium

THE FIRST RESURRECTION:
Is of those while still in the flesh body,and on earth
when the antichrist is also here, and do overcome.The first Resurrection occurs simultaneously with the 7th trump (Rev.
20:4-6).

THE SECOND RESURRECTION:
Is of those, who although they do not overcome
while in the flesh on earth, because they will in-fact worship the antichrist,may in fact experience the second resurrection.
Many of them, however, will not experience even this, the second resurrection.
if they are once again deceived by satan at the end of the millennium. (Rev.20:7-8)
The second Resurrection occurs at the end of the millennium

Study the word of God for yourself.!! And trash the books of men, which do not line up with God's most holy word!!











To: O'Hara who wrote (505)1/11/2000 1:19:00 PM
From: O'Hara  Respond to of 609
 
><>...The Rapture is a ...LIE ...from satan!!!...><>

†...The word of God ...REFUTES... the rapture theory...†

Here's what the word of God states on the return of Christ.

Are you familiar with the word of God ....Or....do you subscribe to the words of man?

The word of God!!
2 Thess. 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

In the above scripture Paul was teaching on the return of Christ. He was setting the
record straight. He said the return of our Lord will not happen until:
1. There come a falling away first
and
2. That man of sin first be revealed, the son of perdition.
Paul has even gone so far as to give us the identity of this evil one.

perdition # 684 Strongs Concordance,= Apoleia, ruin or loss, perish, waste from #
622, Apollumi, to destroy fully, perish, the base of 3639

# 3639, Olethros, to destroy, ruin,i.e. death, punishment destruction.

There is "Only One" entity that fits Paul's description of this evil one. There is "Only
One" that has already been judged and condemned to perish. (Ez. 28 vs. 15-19 + Ez.
26 esp. v. 21) The prince of Tryus (Tyrus= rock... the false rock) the false messiah, the
antichrist, satan.

anti, in the Greek # 500 from 473 and 5547...
#473 = Instead of , because of.... (Not Against)
Christ #5547= Anointed, ie: The Messiah

Antichrist therefore means in this instance, instead of Jesus.... Not someone used by
satan to stand against Jesus, but satan himself (in his own body). He is still up to his
same old deceiving game, trying to be God..... He intends to take the place of our Lord
Jesus by
coming disguised as Jesus..... See 2 Thess. 2:4, Also 2 Cor. 11:14, The word
Transformed, #3345 Strongs = disguised.

He is not coming to deceive a world of unbelievers, God knows he has already got them
fooled. He is coming to deceive those who love the Lord.

Look at the word "falling" as in falling away 2Thess. 2:3
#646, Apostasia, defection from the truth, to foresake, same as apostasion, divorce.

It will be the son of perdition who causes this falling away....Who but Christians can fall
away? Who but Christians can defect from the truth? Foresake who? Divorce who?

Are Christians not the bride of Christ? Yes, and only Christians can divorce
Him.Christians then, must be here in order for even this to happen.. They must also be
here for various other plans of God to take effect!

Christians will be here when the antichrist, satan disguised as Jesus, comes to this earth,
deceiving only those Christians, who can be deceived, into believing that he is Jesus and
has come to "rapture" them away.

The heart of the "rapture theory" is 1 Thess. 4:13-18, look closely at the subject of
these verses, it is "where are the dead". Paul is telling them not to be concerned
about those who have already died and won't be here at the return of our Lord.

v14....because if you believe that Jesus died and rose, so too will they who are already
dead in Jesus (believers). And they will in fact return with Him.

v15.And we who are still alive (in the flesh) and still here at the coming of the Lord
cannot prevent ( precede) them who are already with Him.

prevent #5348, a prime verb; to be beforehand, ie: anticipate or precede, by extension,
to have arrived at:-- ( already) attain,come prevent

v16. For Jesus Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a
voice of the archangel, and with a trump of God and those who are dead (already with
Him), will in fact rise first. Because they are already there with Him.

v17.then we who are alive and are still here at His coming shall meet Him in theclouds,to
meet the Lord in the air (spirit, spiritual body) and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Air #109 Strong's, to breath unconsciously,ie: respire by analogy to blow "air" (
spirit)......It is Not the same as:
Note the distinction:
Air #3772, (through the idea of elevation) the sky, by extensions the heavens the abode
of God air, heavenly sky.(Atmosphere)

v18. so stop worrying, because those who are dead are already with the Lord, and will
not miss Him at His return.

These nor any other scriptures even hint at the "any moment- Christians only
rapture theory"

End of Part One.









To: O'Hara who wrote (505)6/11/2000 4:32:00 PM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 609
 
><>...The word of God ...REFUTES... the rapture theory...><>

Here's what the word of God states on the return of Christ.

Are you familiar with the word of God ....Or....do you subscribe to the words of man?

Give God's word the due dilgence it deserves....If not for Him..... then for your own good!~!!

The word of God!!
2 Thess. 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come
a
falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

In the above scripture Paul was teaching on the return of Christ. He was setting the
record straight. He said the return of our Lord will not happen until:
1. There come a falling away first
and
2. That man of sin first be revealed, the son of perdition.

Paul has even gone so far as to give us the identity of this evil one.

son of.. .."perdition" # 684 Strongs Concordance,= Apoleia, ruin or loss, perish, waste from #
622, Apollumi, to destroy fully, perish, the base of 3639

# 3639, Olethros, to destroy, ruin,i.e. death, punishment destruction.

There is "Only One" entity that fits Paul's description of this evil one. There is "Only
One" that has already been judged and condemned to perish. (Ez. 28 vs. 15-19 + Ez.
26 esp. v. 21) The prince of Tryus (Tyrus= rock... the false rock) the false messiah, the
antichrist, satan.

anti, in the Greek # 500 from 473 and 5547...
#473 = Instead of , because of.... (Not Against)
Christ #5547= Anointed, ie: The Messiah

Antichrist therefore means in this instance, instead of Jesus.... Not someone used by
satan to stand against Jesus, but satan himself (in his own body). He is still up to his
same old deceiving game, trying to be God..... He intends to take the place of our Lord
Jesus by
coming disguised as Jesus..... See 2 Thess. 2:4, Also 2 Cor. 11:14, The word
Transformed, #3345 Strongs = disguised.

He is not coming to deceive a world of unbelievers, God knows he has already got them
fooled. He is coming to deceive those who love the Lord.

Look at the word "falling" as in falling away 2Thess. 2:3
#646, Apostasia, defection from the truth, to foresake, same as apostasion, divorce.

It will be the son of perdition who causes this falling away....Who but Christians can fall
away? Who but Christians can defect from the truth? Foresake who? Divorce who?

Are Christians not the bride of Christ? Yes, and only Christians can divorce
Him.Christians then, must be here in order for even this to happen.. They must also be
here for various other plans of God to take effect!

Christians will be here when the antichrist, satan disguised as Jesus, comes to this
earth, deceiving only those Christians, who can be deceived, into believing that he is
Jesus and has come to "rapture" them away.

The heart of the "rapture theory" is 1 Thess. 4:13-18, look closely at the subject of
these verses, it is "where are the dead". Paul is telling them not to be concerned
about those who have already died and won't be here at the return of our Lord.

v14....because if you believe that Jesus died and rose, so too will they who are already
dead in Jesus (believers). And they will in fact return with Him.

v15.And we who are still alive (in the flesh) and still here at the coming of the Lord
cannot prevent ( precede) them who are already with Him. prevent #5348, a prime verb; to be beforehand, ie: anticipate or precede, by extension,
to have arrived at:-- ( already) attain,come prevent

v16. For Jesus Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a
voice of the archangel, and with a trump of God and those who are dead (already with
Him), will in fact rise first. Because they are already there with Him.

v17.then we who are alive and are still here at His coming shall meet Him in
theclouds,to meet the Lord in the air (spirit, spiritual body) and so shall we ever be
with the Lord.

Air #109 Strong's, to breath unconsciously,ie: respire by analogy to blow "air" (
spirit)......It is Not the same as:
Note the distinction:
Air #3772, (through the idea of elevation) the sky, by extensions the heavens the abode
of God air, heavenly sky.(Atmosphere)

v18. so stop worrying, because those who are dead are already with the Lord, and will
not miss Him at His return.

These nor any other scriptures even hint at the "any moment- Christians only
rapture theory"

End of Part One.