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To: goldsnow who wrote (38614)8/8/1999 12:17:00 PM
From: Bobby Yellin  Respond to of 116764
 
In New York there have been scandals about people being turned away
from health care..
You know enough about HMO's and gatekeepers so even people currently on insurance don't necessarily have coverage
Poorer populations I think do tend to smoke and drink more..possibly
they don't have the dreams and hopes and don't have same perception about life..
I don't think that many people gamble that they won't need hospital
coverage..I think many gamble if they don't eat..they won't make it
re next recession: I don't think there will be that much crime..
at least in New York, and I don't know about the rest of the country,
it is getting more and more authoritarian..guess it will create more
jobs in police departments and in detention centers..
Malaysia appears to have set itself apart..brave Malaysia..no longer wants to play the enslaving games of attracting hot liquidity which
gets the population scalded in the end



To: goldsnow who wrote (38614)8/8/1999 5:38:00 PM
From: Alex  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116764
 
BULLION AT THE MELTING POINT

Official sales could keep gold at 20-year lows

By Assif Shameen

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WHAT HAS BEEN THE worst performing asset in an Asian investor's portfolio? Not Asian bank shares or regional currency funds; those have rebounded nicely from last year's lows. No, the laggard is that old Asian favorite and traditional standby in uncertain times - gold. Bullion bought 20 years ago has lost two-thirds of its value. The same money invested in U.S. stocks would be up nearly ten-fold, not counting dividends. This year alone, gold has dropped 12% to around $250 an ounce, its lowest point in 20 years.

With a track record like that, anyone buying gold today is a sucker, right? Wrong, say a few brave bullion bulls. "Past performance is never a guarantee for the future," says Basil Burmeister, a gold analyst for HSBC Securities in Melbourne. "Sure, if I had invested in Internet companies five years ago I'd be a billionaire - but right now I'd be selling some of my Yahoo stock and buying gold." But others say the bottom is yet to come. "Will gold go to $200? Maybe," says Kamal Naqvi, a gold analyst for Macquarie Bank in London. "Will it go $150? It's possible. Who knows - it could could go even lower." What is going on with the "precious" metal?

<Picture>Gold's latest woes began earlier this year when the Bank of England said it planned to trim its gold holdings by - brace yourself - 100 tons. (It has so far sold 25 tons, and still has 715 tons on hand.) And Britain is not the only elephant trampling the market. Switzerland plans to reduce the 2,590 tons in its vaults, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) may sell as much as 10% of its 3,217 tons to fund a plan that will cut the debt burden of the world's poorest nations. Now look at supply and demand. The world's gold mines - mainly in Australia, Canada and South Africa - produce some 2,500 tons per year. Demand from jewelers and investors is about 2,600 tons. The production shortfall ought to support the metal's price. But the world's central banks hold some 34,500 tons, and with more of them expected to follow London's lead, prices are not about to rise.

Why have central bankers turned sour on gold? Besides being a lousy investment, the yellow metal has become a quaint anachronism in the increasingly sophisticated and globalized financial system. "Central banks would rather hold yen or dollars or euros or [U.S.] treasury bills instead of gold," says Naqvi. And private buyers are not taking up the slack. "In any other commodity, when prices fall so far so fast, there will be people out there buying, hoarding the stuff - but not gold," says the Macquarie Bank analyst. "Even though Asian econ-omies are turning around, we are seeing no pick up at all in demand in China, in Japan, Hong Kong, Korea or for that matter anywhere in Asia." And Asian demand is crucial. Chinese and South Asian buyers account for nearly 80% of total demand each year.

As the price drops, production should fall until gold becomes scarce, leading to a rebound. But don't count on that happening anytime soon. Warren Edney, a gold analyst for ABN Amro in Sydney, reckons that the average production cost of existing gold mines is $215 per ounce. While some mines will close if bullion goes below that, others will have sold their production two or three years in advance at a better price, and will stay open. Moreover, lower gold prices are likely to weaken the currencies of gold-producing countries and so lower their U.S.-dollar break-even points, allowing them to keep digging up the metal.

Gold miners are up in arms over the official gold sales and the consequent low prices. The World Gold Council says the planned IMF sales will hurt the very debtor nations it wants to help by slashing mining jobs and exports. Pushed by African producing nations, a conference of 71 developing countries last month called for a moratorium on official gold sales, pending study of a "central mechanism" to permit orderly disposals. And some U.S. congressmen are moving to block the IMF from selling its gold.

Therein lies the hope of bullion bulls. "What you need is an agreement among [big central banks] to scale down or phase out the sale from their vaults," says HSBC's Burmeister. "As soon as you have that, sentiment will turn and prices will go up pretty quickly. Moreover, if such a move comes after a few increases in U.S. interest rates and more signs of inflation, gold could really take off again."

But after a 20-year bear market, gold no longer figures on many investors' radar screens. Gold-bar sales in Hong Kong and Singapore have fallen substantially. Naqvi says the big question is how long will it take for low prices to disillusion people who are steeped in the tradition of holding gold. "At some point, attitudes will change in India and China," he says. "When that happens, a chunk of demand will be taken away from the equation."

pathfinder.com



To: goldsnow who wrote (38614)8/9/1999 9:29:00 AM
From: Rarebird  Respond to of 116764
 
Y2K Jitters Are Finally Starting to Register on Wall St.
By TOM PETRUNO



Stocks are sinking, interest rates are rising, oil is nearing $21 a barrel and the dollar is suddenly the planet's wimp currency.
But Wall Street doesn't know what trouble is. The French--now they understand what trouble is.
Trouble is Paris being destroyed as the Mir space station falls on it this Wednesday while a total solar eclipse darkens a broad swath of Europe.
That unscheduled Mir rendezvous, as predicted by fashion designer-cum-mystic Paco Rabanne, has had the French capital in a tizzy for weeks.
If he turns out to be right, Messr. Rabanne will no doubt be elected President-for-Life of France, or whatever's left of it.
Otherwise, his cheery forecast will most likely be viewed as just a foretaste of global pre-millennium nuttiness.
It may be easy to laugh at Rabanne, but on Wall Street, Y2K-related worries are quickly moving from the conceptual to real-world.
Example: Companies worldwide have been rushing to borrow money via bonds before the fourth quarter arrives, on the assumption that few investors will be interested in ponying-up for large financial transactions as Jan. 1 nears.
That borrowing binge is adding to the current upward pressure on interest rates, which have hardly needed the assist--not with oil prices
staying aloft (and threatening higher inflation worldwide), economic growth picking up in East Asia and Europe, and the U.S. economy's "Goldilocks" image under severe attack.
Friday's government report that the economy created 310,000 net new jobs in July, well above expectations, may well have been the last straw for the inflation-paranoid Federal Reserve.
Coming just one day after other data showed a sharp drop in worker productivity in the second quarter while labor costs rose, the employment news appears to make another Fed interest rate increase a certainty when Chairman Alan Greenspan and peers gather on Aug. 24.
"We now expect the Fed to tighten policy . . . moving the federal funds rate up to 5.25%" from 5%, Merrill Lynch economists told clients last week, in a missive echoed by many other forecasters.
The bond market didn't really need a memo. Yields on Treasury and corporate bonds rocketed Friday after the employment news, pushing the benchmark 30-year Treasury bond from 6.04% on Thursday to 6.18%, the highest since November 1997.
If Wall Street could believe that another quarter-point rate hike would be all the economy requires to guarantee a slowdown and relieve inflation worries, the uproar in the bond market might soon cease, allowing yields to level off.
But the guesswork about the Fed's plans now also includes Y2K. Many economists assume the Fed doesn't want to be raising interest rates in the fourth quarter, when the worldwide focus on whose computer systems will or won't work starting Jan. 1 seems certain to intensify, potentially riling financial markets.
If you're Greenspan, then, do you raise rates just a quarter-point on Aug. 24--or go for a half-point increase to try to front-run the economy and inflation and avoid having to move again before Jan. 1?
The Fed's decision-making is further complicated by concerns that the economy could accelerate in the fourth quarter precisely because of Y2K worries.
How so? A new report from brokerage Goldman, Sachs & Co. predicts there will be enough stockpiling of goods by companies and consumers in the fourth quarter to have a "noticeable" effect on economic growth.
That poses a challenge for the Fed, because if stockpiling helps boost prices of goods--driving the inflation rate higher--bond investors could demand ever-higher yields to compensate. They would also expect to see the Fed engaged in the anti-inflation fight by tightening credit, which Greenspan might be reluctant to do for the aforementioned reasons.
(Never mind that any inventory-related boost to growth in the fourth quarter could be reversed in the first quarter of 2000, assuming the world doesn't end and most computer systems pass the Y2K-bug test. The bond market probably wouldn't choose to look that far ahead.)
The backdrop for all of this is a classic case of "beware what you wish for": The global economy is looking better, which is good news to most people, of course.
But with an acceleration of growth comes the risk that we've seen the lows in inflation. The oil market certainly is telegraphing that message. Crude oil futures in New York ended Friday at just under $21 a barrel. Prices are up 50% since March, as global demand has risen while producers have held the line on output.
Given the rebound in oil and the surge in bond yields this year, maybe the biggest surprise is that global stock markets aren't faring worse.
True, investors have been fleeing Internet stocks in recent weeks, leaving many of them off 50% to 70% from their 1999 highs. But no one can possibly be surprised that those stocks are coming down from the stratosphere. It was always a question of when, not if.
The Dow Jones industrial average, at 10,714.03 on Friday, is down just 4.4% from its record high set July 16. The Standard & Poor's and the Internet-heavy Nasdaq composite, both of which also peaked July 16, are down 8.4% and 11%, respectively, since.
That's not a great start to August, which has too often been a miserable month for stocks. But share volume on the New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq has remained subdued, suggesting there's no great rush to sell.
Investors who can make the leap of faith that 2000 will bring a stronger world economy without a dramatic pickup in inflation may well figure that stocks are going in the right direction now--that is, you're getting the chance to buy in at cheaper prices.

latimes.com