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To: Dayuhan who wrote (50575)	8/10/1999 11:58:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Cause and responsibility can be different things. If I fall down a hole in the sidewalk, my fall was caused by my walking down the sidewalk, but the hole was at least partly responsible, and the person who dug the hole and didn't put up a barrier will be held legally accountable even though they were miles away at the time. Drivers who speed cause the results of speeding. But the automobile manufacturers who make automobiles that can go 80 or 90 or 100 miles per hour when there is no public road in the nation where it is legal to drive that fast are also responsible. What is your position on the tobacco litigation. Is it right to hold the industry responsible for the results of peoples' free choice to smoke? Is it right to hold Ford responsible for the deaths of people who chose to drive Pinto cars? (And what are you doing up posting anyhow -- isn't it like 2 am back there? Makes me tired just thinking about it. Go to bed!! After all, I would feel responsible if you had an accident tomorrow because you got tired staying up too late posting to me. <g>)

To: Dayuhan who wrote (50575)	8/11/1999 3:26:00 AM
From: E	Respond to of 108807

<<<The results of speeding are caused either by the sellers of automobiles, or by drivers who chose to speed. Not both.>>> Who sez? <<<Shootings are caused either by people who selling guns or by people who choose to shoot each other, not both.>>> Who sez? <<<The misery caused by alcoholism is caused either by makers of alcohol or by those who choose to abuse alcohol, not both.>>> Who sez? If you agree with the first proposition in each case, it is only right and reasonable to believe that government ought to prevent these bad things by controlling their causes - those who provide the products.>>> Who sez? BTW, why doesn't "necessary and sufficient" come in here? Or "contributory" causes? You are making a big deal of something simple, IMO. Why can't a libertarian decide an industry which is involved in something that morally offends him isn't one he wants to give money to? That his hands feel cleaner, if he doesn't, and that that feels good? And that if, along the way, he can, by word and/or deed, persuade others to his way of thinking, what the hell is inconsistent about that? Geeez. I'm having insomnia. It's almost 3:30 am where I am. I am feeling quite cranky.