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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (325)8/11/1999 4:08:00 PM
From: C Kahn  Respond to of 542
 
GUSTAVE JAEGER, you should change your name to Sherlock Holmes.

"You feel I treat you as 'Dumb Yankees', eh?"

As for OUR "Inferiority complex with regard to the European culture!" Wouldn't you say that is a very presumptuous conclusion? Don't forget, the U.S.A. is less than 300 years old. So we don't have as many dead composers, dead philosophers, and other long-dead contributors to society. And if this what you consider to be culture, I would think that China has many more dead composers, dead philosophers, and other long-dead contributors to society than Europe does. So you must regard China very highly for this.

"Truly arrogant, swanky Europeans wouldn't give a toss about chatting with dumb Americans".
But they don't have any problem accepting our "Uncultured American Dollars", do they?

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but you are not the only Europe-based oddball who's been around for so long on SI. BTW if Europe is so superior, why do they keep coming to us to bail them out?

Much Later,
C Kahn



To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (325)8/11/1999 9:14:00 PM
From: C Kahn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542
 
GUSTAVE JAEGER, I suppose the following makes Europe all the more superior. I have one question. Why is the U.S. dollar so important in all of this?

"Joint Information Notice by the European Commission and the European Central Bank on the detailed computation of the irrevocable conversion rates for the euro
11 March 1999

The irrevocable conversion rates for the euro were adopted by the EU Council upon a proposal from the Commission and after consultation of the European Central Bank (ECB) on 31 December 1998 and entered into force together with the substitution of the euro for the national currencies on 1 January 1999. The Ministers of the Member States adopting the euro as their single currency, the Governors of the Central Banks of these Member States, the European Commission and the European Monetary Institute/European Central Bank issued two joint communiqués on the determination and the adoption of the irrevocable conversion rates for the euro dated 3 May and 26 September 1998 respectively. The European Commission and the European Central Bank hereby provide the details of the computation of these conversion rates.

Calculation of the exchange rates of the official ECU on 31 December 1998

On 31 December 1998, the final official ECU exchange rates were calculated and adopted by the EU Council as the irrevocable conversion rates for the euro on the first day of Stage Three, i.e. on 1 January 1999. This was done by using the regular daily concertation procedure, which continues to be used in Stage Three for quoting the euro reference exchange rates.

Three steps can be identified.

Step 1: Determination of the EU currencies’ concertation exchange rates against the US dollar

A teleconference was initiated at 11:00 a.m. (C.E.T.), in which the EU central banks, including those whose currencies were not components of the ECU basket, provided each other with the US dollar exchange rate for their respective currencies. These exchange rates were recorded as discrete values lying within the market bid-ask spreads prevailing at the time of the teleconference. The central banks of the Member States adopting the euro as their single currency were prepared to use, if needed, appropriate market techniques to ensure that, at the time of the teleconference on 31 December 1998, the market exchange rates would be consistent with the ERM bilateral central rates.

The Joint Communiqué of last May had already mentioned the possibility that, owing to rounding, the implicit bilateral rates which could be derived from the euro conversion rates would not necessarily correspond, up to the last (sixth) significant figure, to the pre-announced ERM bilateral central rates. In order to minimise such inconsistencies, the exchange rates of the participating currencies vis-à-vis the US dollar were quoted with a high degree of precision. First and in line with the regular concertation procedure one euro area currency, i.e. the Deutsche Mark, was quoted against the US dollar according to prevailing market conventions (5 significant digits). Then, the US dollar exchange rates for the other euro area currencies were determined by multiplying their pre-announced ERM bilateral central rates against the Deutsche Mark by the DEM/USD exchange rate(1). The exchange rates of the eleven euro area currencies so calculated had 11 significant digits, all of which were retained for maximum accuracy. Since the ERM bilateral central rates were lying within the market bid-ask spreads for the participating currencies prevailing at the time of the teleconference on 31 December 1998, equality between the market and the pre-announced exchange rates was ensured and the likelihood of rounding errors was minimised.

The next two steps were part of the usual procedure for the daily calculation of ECU rates since the creation of the basket in 1979.

Step 2: Calculation of the exchange rate of the official ECU against the US dollar

The US dollar rates recorded by the EU central banks were thereafter communicated by the National Bank of Belgium to the European Commission, where they were used to calculate the exchange rates of the official ECU. The USD/ECU exchange rate (expressed as 1ECU=xUSD) was obtained by summing up the US dollar equivalents of national currency amounts that composed the ECU.

Step 3: Calculation of the exchange rates of the official ECU against the EU currencies participating in the euro area.

The official ECU exchange rates of the EU currencies were calculated by the Commission by multiplying the non-rounded value of the USD/ECU exchange rate by their respective exchange rates vis-à-vis the US dollar. The resulting ECU exchange rates (i.e. units of currency per ECU) were rounded to the sixth significant digit. This calculation was performed for all EU currencies, not only those which were components of the ECU basket. The Commission also calculated as usual the ECU rates for a number of non-EU currencies. The ECU rates of 31 December 1998 were published in the Official Journal (Part C).

For the participating currencies, these rates were then proposed as the irrevocable euro conversion rates.

The table below illustrates the calculation of the official ECU exchange rates vis-à-vis all EU currencies on 31 December 1998.



Table: Calculation of the ECU exchange rates on 31 December 1998

Currency Amount of national Currency units in the ECU basket Exchange rate vis-à-vis the USD on 31-Dec-98 Equivalent in dollars of national currency amount ECU exchange rates
(a) (b) (c)=(a):(b) (d)=(USD/ECU)*(b)
DEM 0.6242 1.6763000000 0.3723677 1.95583
BEF 3.301 34.574525650 0.0954749 40.3399
LUF 0.13 34.574525650 0.0037600 40.3399
NLG 0.2198 1.8887542620 0.1163730 2.20371
DKK 0.1976 6.3842 0.0309514 7.44878
GRD 1.44 282.57 0.0050961 329.689
ITL 151.8 1659.5403526 0.0914711 1936.27
ESP 6.885 142.60652886 0.0482797 166.386
PTE 1.393 171.82913150 0.0081069 200.482
FRF 1.332 5.6220755180 0.2369232 6.55957
GBP @ 0.08784 1.6539 0.1452786 0.705455
IEP @ 0.008552 1.4814687984 0.0126695 0.787564

USD/ECU # = 1.1667521

FIM 5.0959687630 5.94573
ATS 11.793642176 13.7603
SEK 8.1320 9.48803

@ The exchange rate in column (b) for the GBP and IEP is the number of dollars per currency unit rather than the number of currency units per dollar. Column (c) is therefore calculated for each of these two currencies by multiplying the value in column (a) by that in column (b); and column (d) by dividing the dollar equivalent of the ECU (i.e. USD/ECU) by the rate in column (b).
# The USD/ECU rate is shown after rounding to the 7th decimal place, whereas a higher degree of accuracy is used for computational purposes.

__________

(1) For example: BEF/USD = (BEF/DEM)CR * DEM/USD, with (BEF/DEM)CR being the pre-announced ERM central rate between the DEM and the BEF. This applies for all participating currencies except for the Irish pound, for which, in order to adhere to the market convention, the inverse exchange rate was used. The same convention applies to the GBP."

I hope I didn't bore you too much with the numbers. I realize that as an accountant, I'm used to looking at numbers a lot more than people in other professions. BTW what is your profession?

Regards,
C Kahn



To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (325)8/12/1999 4:38:00 PM
From: Andy Thomas  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542
 
>> After all, I bet you whatever money I'm the only Europe-based oddball who's been for so long around on SI. <<

What about Eddie Blinker?

Is he in the competition?

Thanks
Andy