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To: Kid Rock who wrote (51043)	8/13/1999 12:39:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 108807

You were absolutely right in your original assessment that no matter what you posted, he wouldn't accept it. But thank you for clarifying for the rest of us the proof that he is just plain wrong.

To: Kid Rock who wrote (51043)	8/13/1999 8:00:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

That link was to a page that contained "TEKs," which seem to be a list of resources for high schools that provide "Health Science Technology Education, Scientific." (TEKs stands for Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills.) I do want to point out that this is not presented as material to be used in a general high school biology course, but is, specifically, material to be used in technical schools. The state would find it awkward giving out high school diplomas to their technical school grads in "Health Science Technology Education, Scientific" without mentioning evolution to them prior to the ceremony. The two appearances of the word 'evolution' in the URLs provided as a resource are worded as follows: The Nature of Science and Biology - Michael Farabee, Estrella Mountain Community College: examines the development of the theories contributing to modern biology, the theory of evolution, and the use of the scientific method. What the above says about evolution is that the course examines the theory of it. (My assumption is that it 'examines' it with respect, since the professor is a scientist; but the wording is somewhat careful, perhaps.) The second mention is this course provides information on microbial evolution I believe even creationists don't deny that there is plenty of providable information on microbial evolution. Thomas, I am certainly not making the point that no standard high school course in biology "teaches the theory of evolution"; I don't have information on that. But it is the case that the two links I've looked at that you've provided were this one to the technical school, which I've characterized above, and another one to a school I asked you to identify, as it seemed a quite unusual American public school, and, although you failed to answer my query, Lather figured out that it was a school in Japan. As I said, I have no information on this subject-- only impressions. And the impression your links are giving me is probably contrary to the one you expect them to give.

To: Kid Rock who wrote (51043)	8/13/1999 10:17:00 PM
From: Krowbar	Respond to of 108807

So far you have provided links to special courses. Didn't I specifically ask for textbooks that are used for standard high school Biology courses? Thanks for the digging anyway. You see, I already know that the standard Texas biology books have been "Gablerized". Starting about 20 years ago there was a couple called the Gablers that made it their obsession to attend all textbook selection sessions and demand that textbooks didn't contain material that they didn't approve of. That included evolution. At first they did this on their own, but were soon joined by more and more members of the religious wrong. Pat Robertson had a hand in helping them out. Because Texas is such a big account the publishers decided it would be easier to print all of the science books to the Texas "Gablerized" standard. They knew that their book had a much better chance of being selected if there was less material being challenged. The rest of us sat back and acquiesced, and now the science books are cleansed, and boring as shit. Take a look at them once. They are shallow and go into nothing in depth. Del