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To: Hagar who wrote (12700)8/13/1999 4:55:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 18016
 
Hagar, look at me as the customer. The only thing I am interested in is that
-MCI's 30% of the frame realy network failed.
-MCIs 15% of the national network failed
-I have absolutely NO interest as to whose fault it is.
-And beacuse this keeps happening over again it tells me that this is a bad biz , stay away from it and look for somebody else
-And by the way I am very angry.

Ultimately I think more of this will happen and customers will now start looking elsewhere,

TA

MCI faces customer wrath after failures
news.com
By John Borland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
August 11, 1999, 4:00 p.m. PT

MCI WorldCom's data network is being slowly restored after more than five days of crippling outages, but the company is just beginning to
feel the backlash from angry customers.


Many customers say that MCI WorldCom has not handled the crisis well--to the point where some are considering quitting existing contracts or
installing their own back-up systems to guard against future failures. This sentiment bodes ill for MCI WorldCom, which has focused its business plan
on serving corporate needs.

"This has been enough to sour the relationship to the point where I would not want to go back to a carrier in the course of an entire career," said Glenn
Seidman, director of technical services for Complus Data Innovations, a New York-based network company that serves police departments and
municipal governments. "We have plans to bid out our service."

MCI WorldCom's response to the situation stands in stark relief to AT&T's quick reaction news.com to a
similar outage last year. In that case, CEO C. Michael Armstrong held a conference call with customers, taking full responsibility and personally assuring
customers of a quick fix.

By contrast, senior MCI WorldCom executives have made no public statement on the outage, which shut down automatic teller machines, slowed or
stopped traffic on many business networks, and even closed some operations at the Chicago Board of Trade.


An MCI WorldCom spokeswoman did say that senior management had been involved in "one-on-one" discussions with customers, and a Board of Trade
spokeswoman confirmed that MCI WorldCom had been in contact with Board executives.

Nevertheless, it appears that the messages relayed in these discussions weren't consistent, and in some cases, were simply inadequate. Customers
complain that the company gave inconsistent messages about the scale of the problem, and--as it has progressed--have been vague about solutions.

"Everyone I've talked to has a different story on this," said Rich Malone, an analyst with Vertical Systems Group, a
research firm with a substantial client base using MCI WorldCom's frame-relay technology. "No senior executives were
available, in some cases they haven't even provided details on the extent of the problem...These are items that need to be
explained to the public."

The Board of Trade was one of the first and most prominent companies to go public with its concerns. In a letter to its
customers released on its Web site yesterday, the company said it already was concerned about its data service, and
had even been assured by the company that performance would improve--just days before the outage.

"This prevented thousands of customers and traders from accessing the market for five days," said Katherine Spring, a
Board of Trade spokeswoman. "We anticipate a certain level of technical glitches. But this was unacceptable."
The Board of Trade isn't the only MCI WorldCom customer that has had trouble in recent months.

"This is not MCI WorldCom's first frame-relay network problem. It has been getting progressively worse for the last several
months,"
said Sean Donelan, a senior network architect with Data Resarch Associates, a St. Louis-based company that
provides networking support for libraries. "I think these events have strengthened our decision to select a different
frame-relay supplier."

Who's down, how long

The system outages, which began last Thursday and continue today, are centered in MCI WorldCom's frame-relay data
network, which has been one of its fastest-growing data businesses.

Frame-relay technology is similar, but not identical, to technology that transmits information over the public Internet. Data
is broken up into individual "packets," which are then sent along a network and reassembled once they reach their
destination.

The technology is widely used by businesses that need fast, efficient data connections. About 30,000 businesses in the United States use the
systems, creating a $5 billion annual market, according to the Vertical Systems Group.

A MCI WorldCom spokeswoman said the outages affected 15 percent of the company's network, but close to 30 percent of the
company's frame-relay customers.


"We're bringing people back up one by one," said spokeswoman Linda Laughlin. "We're trying to reestablish connectivity as fast as we can."

The companies have traced the problems to a scheduled upgrade for Lucent Technologies' software and hardware, which directs and transports data
traffic inside a network.

"We're definitely looking at glitches in our software," confirmed John Callahan, a Lucent spokesman. The company has a team of
engineers working with MCI WorldCom to try to determine why the software upgrade caused the problems, he added.

As of midday today, the companies had not determined why the software upgrade caused the system failure. The software at fault is used by other
Lucent customers and has to date worked without problem, Callahan said.

At the end of 1998, Lucent held about 37 percent of the frame-relay market, Malone said. Their market share has climbed since then, but new estimates
will not be available for several more weeks, Malone added.

For its part, MCI WorldCom controls about 20 percent of the frame relay market. Whether it is able to build on that share depends greatly on how it
handles this week's crisis. AT&T's quick management of its problems last year cost it less than 2 percent of its customers, Malone said.

Customers are already beginning to seek compensation for downtime, and some are reporting that MCI WorldCom sales account representatives are
not being helpful.

The company said earlier in the week that any compensation would be determined by the terms of individual contracts, but has since
retreated from that statement.


"Those issues haven't been discussed yet," Laughlin said today. "We're still trying to get connectivity back up." The company does not have an
estimated time when service will be back to normal for all customers, she said.

See Story in Context

TA

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you said

I don't know why I feel I need to respond. I guess I feel it was directed to me. I also don't know why I feel the need to defend Stratacom and Cascade here. I'll try not to
ramble.

These two companies, in particular, built product for a select set of customers who guided them on the requirements. And they both succeeded very well in delivering what
the customer wanted. I believe this is how successful companies usually operate. The high tech road side is littered with the best technologies.

Reliability and redundancy are behind all these products, they wouldn't be where they are without it. Certainly some service providers (specifically ISPs) hated to give up the
resources for redundancy and believed in "restarts". I think those days are gone.

The three companies mentioned developed product for different markets: Stratacom delivered Frame Relay services to replace X.25, Cascade delivered high density interface
and high density circuit platforms to assist routers and Newbridge (using their international experience) delivered ATM services to replace X.25. These networks are
converging (sorry about using that word). The noise made about the internet drowns it all out. That network has evolved into packet based edges, ATM trunks for traffic
engineering purposes. Some are buying time by throwing bandwidth at the problem. IP traffic engineering solutions seem a ways off. ATM services are ramping up. If you
think TM is a genius for building a product for that market, great. Its a great product for ATM services, just like that market asked for. I'll stop before I offer my opinion on NN
packet solutions and besides I'm rambling.



To: Hagar who wrote (12700)8/14/1999 2:07:00 PM
From: zbyslaw owczarczyk  Respond to of 18016
 
HagarI'll stop before I offer my opinion on NN packet solutions
This is SI forum,and we would like to listening to your opinion.
If your are afraid that someone will attack your,b/c your have different opinion do not worry.
Present your point of view and if someone disagree then we will have peaceful conversation.

BTW,wasn't NN and ASND gears designed ( at least until recently ) with different set of goals in mind.

Isn't the fact that CE,FR,IP,ADLS,LMDS etc application are run by the same software-management system,on the same switching platform advantage,at least for big carriers,which operates transcontinental networks.

One bug fix in such case can take care of all problems.

Regards
Zbyslaw



To: Hagar who wrote (12700)8/14/1999 3:03:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Respond to of 18016
 
Hagar, I agree with zsbyslaw that you should feel free to discuss any ideas you have on this thread. The purpose of these threads is for investors to become better informed and not to as hype vehicles for any company; for that you go to YHOO. Better information then will allow you to make better investment decisions.
I like discussions based as much as possible on facts with as many references as possible to back any statements/ arguments.
I have no prejudice against WCOM, CSCO or LU [ or even NN :-)) ] and remain open to a scientifically based discussion,

TA

you said

Message #12700 from Hagar at Aug 13 1999 3:56PM

I don't know why I feel I need to respond. I guess I feel it was directed to me. I also don't know why I feel the
need to defend Stratacom and Cascade here. I'll try not to ramble.

These two companies, in particular, built product for a select set of customers who guided them on the
requirements. And they both succeeded very well in delivering what the customer wanted. I believe this is how
successful companies usually operate. The high tech road side is littered with the best technologies.

Reliability and redundancy are behind all these products, they wouldn't be where they are without it. Certainly
some service providers (specifically ISPs) hated to give up the resources for redundancy and believed in
"restarts". I think those days are gone.

The three companies mentioned developed product for different markets: Stratacom delivered Frame Relay
services to replace X.25, Cascade delivered high density interface and high density circuit platforms to assist
routers and Newbridge (using their international experience) delivered ATM services to replace X.25. These
networks are converging (sorry about using that word). The noise made about the internet drowns it all out. That
network has evolved into packet based edges, ATM trunks for traffic engineering purposes. Some are buying time
by throwing bandwidth at the problem. IP traffic engineering solutions seem a ways off. ATM services are
ramping up. If you think TM is a genius for building a product for that market, great. Its a great product for ATM
services, just like that market asked for. I'll stop before I offer my opinion on NN packet solutions and besides I'm
rambling.