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To: Dayuhan who wrote (52255)	8/20/1999 8:23:00 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 108807

All true....

To: Dayuhan who wrote (52255)	8/20/1999 11:30:00 AM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Steven -- I think there are some values that are altered or ignored at our peril, regardless of individual desires and rights. That some of these may codified by the state, or religion or mommies and daddies (in sometimes clumsy and off-putting ways) does not change their utility. Moderation may seem like an alien imposition to a small child -- until the first time he breaks into the candy jar and eats ALL HE WANTS. Respect for the environment (natural or social) is absolute if you hope to prosper in that environment for the long term. And on and on -- the ten commandments (or some other version of them -- boy/girl scout code -- whatever) serve as very useful reminders. These basic values do not change to accommodate the "requirements" of the people they serve. People, I think, overestimate the empowerment of money, technology and not giving a damn what the neighbors think. "Appetites" may change and grow but I think "requirements" are more stable. We do not benefit from anarchy in the classroom, overindulgence in any appetite, imposition of our will in accord only with our strength, neglecting our children, movies and music that glorify the misfit and rely almost solely on production values and special effects to achieve visceral stimulation and box office receipts. As for the declining influence of churches, I think the reverse is true. Before anyone attacks, allow me to admit churches and their roles can be bad as well as good. My personal perspective,FWIW -- I was raised a Catholic, drifted away (way, way away) for many years and now find myself at Mass again every Sunday. Half the time I feel like rising up in the pew and arguing with the priest ("Ayatollah Ed," in my case). But the truth is, I have found comfort in returning there. Maybe as we grow older (or, finally grow up), change seems less desirable. Now, Delbert, don't go slinging any of YOUR intolerant bitterness in my direction. I'm not making even the teensiest suggestion of how you should view the cosmos or its origin. If you really have to get to the bottom of everything, you're welcome to the rest of my apple -- I've copped out and decided I can live with a mystery or two. Peace.