To: jpmac who wrote (52386 ) 8/21/1999 2:17:00 AM From: E Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 108807
<<<I think it is overstating the importance of the human race to suggest that someone who does not does choose to continue it by mating with someone s/he does not want to mate with is a sociopath... How is that sociopathic or even selfish? The earth sure doesn't need us. So who we would be doing it for? And why? >>> But jp, you have changed the subject to whether the earth needs us or not!-- you think the earth "doesn't need us," and ask "who we would be doing it for? And why?" But although those are interesting questions, their answers for the purposes of this particular argument are given by the question itself (unless I phrased it poorly.) I stipulated in my illustration that the woman "had been pleased at her so-far allotted existence among us," and that the reason she would decline to allow millions upon millions of other human beings to experience the pleasures and joys of human life was "personal"-- the example I gave being that she found him "unattractive." (Nothing whatever was said about her opinion of the human race, or its abstract value, except what can be assumed from the fact that she herself had been glad to be alive, and human.) And so, I feel that if "selfish" is a word ever applicable to any human act, it is surely applicable to one in which, because she finds the man, for example, too dark-skinned for her taste, or too whatever- is- her- personal- turn-off, this person decides to indulge her specialness at the cost of the potential for a future existence of millions of humans who could experience over millions of years the pleasures she herself had enjoyed with nary a demur. If that isn't a person with an anti-social personality disorder, I've sure never run into one. Remember, this woman LIKES life! Compare the results of some behaviors you would agree would be anti-social or selfish with the results of her indulging her distaste for (say) African males. Constant littering? Shoplifting? Stealing small appliances from friends to get high because you like the feeling? How about stealing millions of years of potential life from humanity because you don't like the prospect of a feeling? <<<As to the bait of PC, two of us expressed opinions and were considered PC for saying that we would not consider rape ok to continue the race because someone thought it so very important to do so. >>> I did NOT characterize anyone who shared your view as PC. I DID state my expectation that no contrary opinions would be expressed because it would be un-PC to express them rather than because they are not out there. I say this because I don't believe that the only three or four people who HAVE opinions on this matter, just happen to have the opinion that it's better to allow all of humanity to perish than to have one woman who thought human life was a pleasure, when it was hers, be labeled "selfish" or "sociopathic" for refusing to have sex with... ... a man who didn't turn her on. She doesn't find him attractive. She likes white dudes. So you say fine, c'est la vie, c'est la self-determination, goodbye for eternity to human pleasure, joy, sex, love, music, poetry, altruism, beauty, books, devotion, skill, reason, tenderness, sacrifice, truth, courage.... Goodbye, goodbye. Goodbye, little babies! And jp, you think I believe that no one except me has an opinion about whether she's a bitch from hell with an anti-social personality disorder and a gold medal in the Selfish Olympics? I'll answer Joan's post later. Or tomorrow. It's 2:00 am here. (BTW, we stipulate a different motivation for the woman, I come out with a different assessment altogether. Want to do that? Maybe I will.)