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To: Starduster234 who wrote (52537)8/21/1999 8:51:00 PM
From: Zoltan!  Respond to of 108807
 
>>Roosevelt was never enfeebled. I lived in that era'..That is pure unadulterated B/S

Sure he was. Churchill wrote about it and Yalta. His doctors knew that he was suffering from hypertension, hypertensive heart disease, and cardiac failure. Some of the president's advisers suspected as much, and they feared that he might not live through another term. FDR lived amonth or so after his inauguration and Yalta. He was vitually dead at Yalta.

>>Watch this same accusation of the Chinese Scientist...He is not guilty..

Looks like he is guilty, the demagogues are playing the race card after all. Then again, a few unrepentant leftists still say Hiss was innocent.

August 19, 1999


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Review & Outlook
Something Happened

We're beginning to think that the epitaph over the eight years of the Clinton administration is going to read, "Honest bureaucratic mistake."

This, of course, was the explanation offered when more than 900 raw FBI files on Republican figures floated into the White House. Now it appears that the scandal over the transfer of nuclear-missile technology to China is about to recede into these same bureaucratic mists.


The Washington press the past few days has been carrying stories about Robert Vrooman, the former Los Alamos counterintelligence chief, who now says that suspected spy Wen Ho Lee is the victim of ethnic bias. We doubt it. Still, we have some sympathy for Messrs. Vrooman and Lee. They're the ones out in the open taking the bullets, while the Reno Justice Department and at the top, the Clinton White House, deploy their bureaucracies to deflect responsibility, even the smallest responsibility, away from them and onto others.

The handling of the Los Alamos Chinese spying case sounds familiar. It sounds like what happened to the campaign-finance investigation, if indeed Chinese espionage and Chinese contributions can be separated.

Wen Ho Lee has been under FBI suspicion at the lab for years. By 1995, the U.S. was actively investigating the possibility that China had obtained data on the W-88 nuclear warhead. In June 1997 the FBI asked the Justice Department for a "FISA warrant," referring to the Federal Internal Security Act, which sets up a federal court that approves such requests, to conduct surveillance of Mr. Lee and his wife. In August, Allan Kornblum, a Justice deputy counsel, said the Bureau had failed to show "probable cause."

Rejections of FISA requests are rare. As to probable cause, an August 5 report by Senators Fred Thompson and Joseph Lieberman lists the FBI's suspicions about the Lees across 18 paragraphs, including: "The FBI learned that during a visit to Los Alamos by (Chinese) scientists from IAPCM, Lee had discussed certain unclassified (but weapons-related) computer codes with the Chinese delegation. It was reported that Lee had helped the Chinese scientists with their codes by providing software and calculations relating to hydrodynamics." A congressional source tells us that two additional reasons to monitor were dropped from the public report for security reasons.

The FBI then made an unprecedented appeal of the denial to the Attorney General. After a meeting about security issues, the head of the FBI's National Security Division told Ms. Reno "we've been turned down" by her department. The Thompson report then states: "Attorney General Reno has said that she does not recall the conversation, but does not deny that it occurred." Nonetheless, another Justice attorney, Daniel Seikaly, ended up with the assignment of reviewing the original turndown, and weeks later concurred with the decision not to monitor the Lees.

The turndown of this wiretap is at the heart of the Thompson-Lieberman report. Both criticized Justice's refusal.

Sen. Lieberman, noting various bureaucratic failures by the FBI along the way, concluded: "I ask why, given the extreme importance of this case to America's national security, [Justice] did not raise this issue to the Attorney General herself, push the FBI harder to make its case, or decide to send the request for a warrant to the court to make the final judgment

Squaring this circle, Sen. Thompson said Justice "adopted a highly restrictive view of probable cause, even though the showing necessary in a national security context is less than for a criminal investigation." Another report by the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, led by former Sen. Warren Rudman, raised precisely the same issues regarding these decisions.

Obviously there was a judgment call to be made here. And reasonable people might differ on the call. They might differ, that is, if Justice under Ms. Reno had not by now shown itself to come down routinely on the side of doing nothing or next to nothing in investigations of this sort. As in the campaign finance investigation of illegal foreign contributions to the President's reelection campaign.

Consider the record. As with the Los Alamos case, clearly something illegal was taking place with the Chinese fundraising. But Ms. Reno rejected the advice of both Charles La Bella and Louis Freeh to turn these matters over to an independent counsel. The La Bella episode is especially illuminating.

It would have been one thing if Ms. Reno had simply rejected Mr. La Bella's recommendation. But she and her aides went further, essentially trashing La Bella for his position and pushing him out of federal service. One might reasonably suspect that the lower-echelon lawyers, including those handling the Los Alamos decisions, knew better than to get on the wrong side of any Justice investigations involving China.

Then, after giving "her people" full responsibility for this investigation, and after a few indictments, the result has been no jail time for anyone. Johnny Chung and John Huang got probation. Charlie Trie awaits sentencing.

And it is similarly clear that something happened at the Sept. 13, 1995, Oval Office meeting at which Bill Clinton, Bruce Lindsey, Joe Giroir and James Riady told a nobody named John Huang that he was moving from his Commerce Department job over to fund raising for the DNC. Absent a real inquiry into this crucial meeting's content, we're supposed to conclude that it was John Huang's idea to go all the way to China to break the contribution laws.

In other words, it is at least clear to us that Bill Clinton and Janet Reno have inculcated the Department of Justice with a culture of nonfeasance. Nonfeasance is about not doing what duty requires. And duty, some sense of a higher purpose or judgment, is what we think Senators Thompson and Lieberman are asking for in their report on the Los Alamos case. It is what many had hoped for in the campaign-finance investigation.

But neither Mr. Clinton nor Ms. Reno are inclined to do what they don't want to do. They always have their reasons. Somehow, whether it is national security or the integrity of a presidential election, the electorate is supposed to shrug and get over it.

Perhaps, for another year or so. It will then be the next President's job to remake Justice from a place of constant suspicion about motive to one of respect.

interactive.wsj.com


>>. History is only as good as the Liars of the era'


Both FDR and JFK hired good ones, the Schlesingers, father and son.



To: Starduster234 who wrote (52537)8/21/1999 9:42:00 PM
From: Father Terrence  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
You were ignorant of your own times, my man! Not anything to be ashamed of, many people often are. Look how many are ignorant of Clinton's agenda today.

Roosevelt, the demagogue, was an enfeebled tyrant who was an apologist for the wealth of his family and an over-achiever that was a backlash from being confined in a wheelchair.

He had a mild stroke during WWII which was pretty effectively hushed up. For those that mock Reagan's mental acuity during his second term, they should compare him to President Vegetable. It's no wonder Vegetable had a Fruit running the FBI...



To: Starduster234 who wrote (52537)8/21/1999 9:44:00 PM
From: Zoltan!  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
>>Roosevelt was never enfeebled. I lived in that era'..That is pure unadulterated B/S :-)

In other words, the truth:

That does not deny betrayal but rather justifies it on grounds of Realpolitik, obscuring the American leader's significance at Yalta. President Roosevelt was a very sick man at the Big Three conference where he was counseled by a Soviet espionage agent.

The invaluable "FDR's Last Year" (1974) by reporter Jim Bishop depicts a president near death whose irreversible heart disease was hidden from the electorate during a 1944 re-election campaign that Roosevelt never should have run. Bishop reports that the mass murderer Stalin was "moved to pity," telling the British delegates: "If I had known how tired that man is, I would have agreed to meet along the Mediterranean."


YALTA AND NATO

Robert Novak
AUGUST 18, 1997

WASHINGTON -- Undersecretary of State Stuart Eizenstat drew criticism last month when he argued for Poland's admission into NATO by raising the "betrayal" by the Western allies at the 1945 Yalta conference. Thus are deliberations in that Crimean city a half-century ago still debated -- however irrationally.

New York Daily News columnist Lars-Erik Nelson wrote on July 16 that Eizenstat at a press briefing the previous day "repeated a 50-year-old right-wing slander in asserting that the Poles belonged in NATO because they had been 'betrayed' by Yalta agreements signed with Stalin by Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill." On July 20, Washington Post columnist David Broder, who also attended the briefing, took Eizenstat to task for invoking "guilt feelings" about the surrender of Poland to the Soviet Union as justification for NATO expansion.

Nelson and Broder are distinguished journalists and old friends of mine, but Poland was truly betrayed in 1945, and we indeed should feel guilty (whether or not that justifies NATO membership). Eizenstat told me he did not say Poland was betrayed, only that Poles believe it. Actually, Yalta has ceased to be a partisan issue, and Democrat Eizenstat has not turned on his own party. The ugly truth about the World War II settlement no longer needs to be hidden because of domestic politics.

Nelson's column quoted historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., FDR chronicler and Democratic activist, as saying, "I don't know what Stuart Eizenstat would have done" to save Poland. Stalin -- backed by the occupying Red Army -- broke the Yalta pact to impose Communist rule, said Schlesinger.

That does not deny betrayal but rather justifies it on grounds of Realpolitik, obscuring the American leader's significance at Yalta. President Roosevelt was a very sick man at the Big Three conference where he was counseled by a Soviet espionage agent.

The invaluable "FDR's Last Year" (1974) by reporter Jim Bishop depicts a president near death whose irreversible heart disease was hidden from the electorate during a 1944 re-election campaign that Roosevelt never should have run. Bishop reports that the mass murderer Stalin was "moved to pity," telling the British delegates: "If I had known how tired that man is, I would have agreed to meet along the Mediterranean."

But Stalin never would agree to Polish self-determination, as Roosevelt and Churchill understood. When the deal was cut on Poland, Bishop reports, the president left the meeting with his face gray and almost hollow. The president's chief of staff, Adm. William Leahy, told him: "Mr. President, this compromise formula on Poland is so elastic that the Russians can stretch it all the way from Yalta to Washington without even technically breaking it."

Hanging his head, Roosevelt replied: "I know, Bill, I know. But it's the best I can do for Poland at this time." Bishop's conclusion: "It was the best and the worst. Time would not improve the American betrayal."

The agreement Schlesinger says Stalin broke was questioned by renowned diplomatic historian Herbert Feis in "Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin" (1957): "What was this worth? What likelihood was there that an interim government, Communist ruled, would allow itself to be challenged, and quite possibly ejected from office, by an election held in the Western style?" Feis writes that Roosevelt's abandonment of supervised elections was "tinged, I think, by a longing for an end to the labor of debate" by the dying president.

At Roosevelt's side was Alger Hiss, the State Department official shown by mounting evidence to be a Soviet spy. Most chroniclers of Yalta have ignored Hiss' role as the slick assistant to bumbling Secretary of State Edward Stettinius.

But just five years after Yalta, journalist Ralph de Toledano in his landmark "Seeds of Treason" (1950) noted that "Hiss moved in and out of negotiations." At a pre-conference meeting in Marrakech, Hiss and Stettinius agreed on a unity government in Warsaw that sealed Poland's fate. Stettinius recorded in "Roosevelt and the Russians at Yalta" (1949) that when FDR requested a lawyer to review the Polish agreement, "I called Alger Hiss."

Polish officials have told me that they hunger for NATO membership to confirm their return to the West. Whether that is proper U.S. policy is subject to debate. That the West owes Poland something for its betrayal is not.
townhall.com

FDR & Stalin : A Not So Grand Alliance, 1943-1945
by Amos Perlmutter

Acknowledged as the leader of the free world after World War Il, Franklin Delano Roosevelt is one of the most significant and compelling figures of the twentieth century. Yet no previous book has dealt critically with his foreign policy during the crucial years between 1943 and 1945. In this penetrating study, Amos Perlmutter exposes the myth of New Deal war diplomacy, showing the devastating results of FDR's not-so-grand alliance with Joseph Stalin, one of the most ruthless political leaders of the modern world. Perlmutter assesses FDR's war strategy and his postwar vision, as well as his diplomatic style in dealing with both Stalin and Churchill. FDR failed to take political advantage of the enormous U.S. economic, military, and atomic superiority. In three key areas of the Grand Alliance dispute - the Second Front, Poland, and the division of Germany - FDR clearly colluded with Stalin against the larger vision of Churchill. By failing to use the Lend-Lease program as a bargaining chip, FDR "surrendered" Eastern Europe to Stalin even before Stalin had begun his long-planned Soviet expansion into the East. A passionate, optimistic, and popular leader, FDR nevertheless failed to see the long-range goals of Stalin. He maintained an idealistic vision of a postwar world presided over by a partnership of two emerging powers, the United States and the Soviet Union. Perlmutter shows how FDR's blind pursuit of that vision and the concessions he made to realize it resulted not in partnership, but in the legacy of the Cold War. Based on extensive reevaluation of domestic sources and his study of key Foreign Ministry documents in the former Soviet Union, Perlmutter sheds new light on the relationship of FDR and Stalin. Several fascinating appendixes reproduce material from the recently declassified Soviet archives relating to this crucial period in American foreign policy. FDR & Stalin is a provocative, much-needed reassessment of Roosevelt's role in the re-shaping

..the author's descriptions of events at Teheran and Yalta are clear and effective. The overriding facts of FDR's desperately failing health and of his Wilsonian devotion to the UN are points well made, but they're not new. Perlmutter adds the notion that FDR's refusal to deal in balances of power and territory proves his lack of a realistic vision...

Booknews, Inc. , March 1, 1994
Deals critically with FDR's foreign policy during crucial war and postwar years, exposing the myth of New Deal war diplomacy, and showing the devastating results of FDR's alliance with Stalin and their collusion against the larger vision of Churchill.


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To: Starduster234 who wrote (52537)12/10/1999 4:55:00 PM
From: Zoltan!  Respond to of 108807
 
>>Watch this same accusation of the Chinese Scientist...He is not guilty..Roosevelt was never enfeebled. I lived in that era'..That is pure unadulterated B/S :-) Neither was J.Edgar a homosexual
as has been said. History is only as good as the Liars of the era'
I lived in D.C. many years...SD


Nuclear Scientist Lee Arrested
By H. Josef Hebert
Associated Press Writer
Friday, Dec. 10, 1999; 3:21 p.m. EST

WASHINGTON –– Fired scientist Wen Ho Lee was indicted today for removing nuclear secrets from a secured computer at the Los Alamos weapons lab where he worked, government officials said....http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991210/aponline152123_000.htm