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To: MNI who wrote (14206)	8/25/1999 2:35:00 PM
From: Iceberg	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

>I will not retreat from the assumption that terrorist regimes should not be assumed to be concerned about human rights. MNI, Nor should you. Obviously, anyone concerned about human rights wouldn't do terrorism. >I did not state that there were merly some random acts of killing in Kosovo You are correct. You didn't. I was the one who deduced that, from what you said about there being no justification. For if there were no justification, then how else could mass killings be explained, other than as something random? >There are, after all, poeple that kill and torture "for fun" Let's assume that's correct. Then 'fun' would be a justification [however perverted that might be], would it not? So in that sense, it's 'justified'...again, in the mind of the perpetrator. >a regime can systematically invoke situations in which sadistic perverts can realize their dreams That may be what's going on in Kosovo today, right? >the verificability of the victim's identity as a member of the scapegoat group is not the central problem of the process. Maybe even of no importance. Maybe not a "central problem", but my argument was that at least some type of vericability [based upons sensory input] must take place prior to a killing. You seem to be saying no, or little if any, verification is required? >The Nuremberg race laws of course did not rely on any sensory input, but on files and passports of parents, grandparents and great-grandparents. It was not the state that had to prove that somebody was a 'Jew', but the individual had to prove that he/she wasn't. It may be important to this discussion that the Nazis then felt a need to create the discerning sensory input and afterwards provide some negative associations.... I'm not familiar with the term "Nuremberg race laws". What is that? My understanding is that there was a Nuremberg trial. During that trial, it was exposed that the discerning sensory input that must have occurred on the part of the Nazis, took place prior to the mass killings of Jews. BTW, there seems to be some question [in the press, at least] as to whether the killings in Kosovo are comparable to those of Nazi Germany. To the extent that discerning sensory input is somehow required prior to a killings, Nazi Germany and Kosovo today are indeed comparable situations. One more point...and I'm serious about this question...exactly what is it about Jews that seems to elicit hatred? Hatred that spans long periods of time. I don't get it. Do you? In other words, what would possibly cause someone to hate a Jew? Similarly, what would cause one to hate an Albanian? What would cause one to hate a Serb? Ice