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To: nihil who wrote (26571)	8/28/1999 8:01:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

<<Unless the OT lies>> Sorta depends on whether you read it as actual history or allegory. Interpretation colors many of our thoughts. Our brainwashing that the bible is God's word keeps many in the dark in this respect. I think if you follow this thread you will find James is one of the few that tries to interpret without preconceived ideas of Aristotle's paradigm. He appears to me an honest searcher for the truth independent of others and tradition. When reading Aesop no one believes it as history. Yet it teaches a child far better to live a good life than the Christian bible. The morals are clear to a child where aged men cannot agree on scripture in spite of the most brilliant thinkers of all ages. If we read the old testament as a fable it will demonstrate how we should live and the results of wrong living. We are brainwashed that we need to pray constantly because we are sinners. I will maintain that a true pray-er has no need to voice a prayer daily because he lives a life of prayer. We judge a cow by the amount of milk he gives and not how much hay he eats. IMHO we are judged by our actions and not what we profess to be. The cosmic Christ or the Buddha can neither be exploded except in metaphysical terms. Paul's Christ was not the same as Peter's.

To: nihil who wrote (26571)	8/28/1999 2:12:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

(1. The children of the flesh are not the children of Abraham.) Romans 9 "8": That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." *(2. God's promises to Abraham were to be fulfilled in Christ who was the seed* of promise.) Galatians 3 "16": Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. "17" And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. "18": For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. "19"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed(Christ) should come to whom the promise was made;** " (3.The promises to Abraham were to find fulfillment in the New Covenant established by Christ. The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ established the New Covenant or the Kingdom of God. Men enter the Kingdom of God by being born again of the incorruptible seed of the Word, which is Christ Jesus. Through Christ God recreates the human spirit into his image and likeness.) 1Pet. 1 "23": Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. "24": For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: "25": But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.