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To: coug who wrote (36376)	8/28/1999 1:56:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Interesting questions, wrong conclusions based on false assumptions. I got 44% and I wish you'd tell me a politician that I support that is hard-nosed on "youthful indiscretions." Drugs are a lot more legal now than they were when I was a teenager. When I was using marijuana, people were put in prison for using it. Now they get suspended imposition of sentence, and if they are clean for six months, the record is erased. And a second conviction might get them ten days in jail. The intolerance has shifted to pushers, and that's at the federal level. I agree that mandatory sentencing guidelines in federal court are moronic, and so do a lot of judges, but the vote in favor was overwhelming by both Democrats and Republicans, because they knew it would be popular with their constituents. If we elect George W. president, that will signal a policy shift among the American electorate, that they are no longer willing to write people off for drug use in the past. Remember when that bearded young fellow who had used marijuana, can't remember his name, (Ginzberg?) was nominated for the Supreme Court and he couldn't get approval because of the marijuana? Hopefully, that will all change.

To: coug who wrote (36376)	8/28/1999 1:57:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

Hi Coug! I love the way these funny tests often stimulate just this kind of musing. You write: I know the old answer of growing more conservative as we get older.. sowing wild oats, etc.. but I don't buy it Really? Why not? Age and experience teach us caution and a certain degree of wisdom based on the learned knowledge of consequences. Basic value systems I believe are inculcated in the first several years of life and are subject to modification by the environment. That is a different kind of conservatism than the political conservatism to which you seem to be trying to draw a parallel. I would doubt anyone tried to bias this test in order to present ANY distorted picture of him or herself- in either direction. If I am reading your post correctly, you are saying that the lower scorers-- jp, Ish, TC, Freddy, are now the MOST conservative politically-- which I don't think is true- and those of us with the higher scores are less so? Joan, Justin, Neo, I? Well, it's fun to make up this stuff, but it would be very dangerous to attempt to draw ANY kind of meaningful relationship between these scores and a person's real value system or moral development. As Coby noted, the test was heavily weighted toward sex and drugs, and not toward issues I would consider far more accurate measures of someone's goodness. (Remember Belle Watling in Gone With the Wind, the whore with a heart of gold?) The things I have done that I am truly ashamed of, that I would consider impure, aren't represented on this test at all. Cruel words, selfishness, greed, are far worse in my eyes than getting drunk-- or licking an eyeball... I admit I haven't a clue what rimming is...and don't think I want to

To: coug who wrote (36376)	8/28/1999 2:02:00 PM
From: Justin C	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

The sowing of wild oats seems to be an equal opportunity activity of the young. But I'm not sure about what they're doing with oats at Rice these days . . . :)

To: coug who wrote (36376)	8/28/1999 2:43:00 PM
From: PCModem	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

"So WHY are they so hard on young people today.. BY SUPPORTING. politicians who are so HARD NOSED on youthful indescretion. I don't know.. I could go on and on.." This is a very different society than it was during the days of "free love," "love-ins" the Viet Nam war and so on. The generation that came of age in the 1965 to 1975 era is now coming into power in virtually every facet of life in this country -- industry, religion and politics. As a society we have matured in some ways since those days. Also every generation of parents is "so hard on young people today" from the point of view of the young people. IMHO the only difference today is that possibly this is the first time in many generations that we have a condition in which generally speaking the parents, when they were kids, actually were more "wild and crazy" than the young people are today. PCM

To: coug who wrote (36376)	8/28/1999 7:04:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 71178

the people I would take as conservatives, based upon my readings of their previous posts. seem to score the lowest. indicating they are "wild and crazy mostly guys"." Well, I got 22%, and I haven't often been accused of conservatism. I don't think anyone reading posts by Ish or JFQ would think they were social conservatives, just guys who have doubts about what Government does with their money. There's a difference. Besides, just because people were wild and crazy doesn't mean that they are. I know the old answer of growing more conservative as we get older.. sowing wild oats, etc.. but I don't buy it.. A person carries IMO, their basic values from their late teens. Maybe they done all this stuff then. Maybe they done really Nasty stuff then and got away with it.. And they are fine citizens now. There wasn't any really nasty stuff on there, was there? Just good ol' sex and drugs and rock and roll, for the most part. Very little about fraud, con games, serious crimes, all the other good stuff that really nasty folk get up to. We don't do that stuff anymore because we can't. Our bodies are no longer resilient enough to allow alcohol or drugs on that scale, sex is no longer as safe or as available (to us, anyway) as it was then, and we have kids learning from our example. Not that our kids won't do wild stuff, but we don't need to start them any younger than what is natural. And yes, most of us are pretty good citizens. What would make you think we aren't?