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To: greenspirit who wrote (36493)	8/29/1999 12:57:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Respond to of 71178

Being a street thug is far more likely to have been caused by prolonged exposure to a certain environment, than from being born with that temperament. I would think that obvious. A middle-class high school boy wants a sense of belonging, physical security and peer support, he goes out for football. A ghetto kid wants the same thing, he joins a gang. The impulse is the same; the environment provides different outlets for it.

To: greenspirit who wrote (36493)	8/29/1999 1:00:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

Again, I would agree, Michael. But again, I would distinguish temperament from behavior. In other words, by temperament, person Z. may be an introvert; he may also have an innate tendency towards depression; he may have artistic talent; he may be a very quiet type, etc. That is what Nature contributes to his personality. How these natural proclivities develop, or whether they develop at all, will depend primarily on Nurture -- that is, on the environment in which he is raised. So, in essence, we are saying the same thing... Joan

To: greenspirit who wrote (36493)	8/30/1999 12:09:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

I would be very surprised if temperament is instilled at birth. It is well know that innervation is far from complete at birth but must develop over the years. Nerve growth is affected by stimuli. There is a strong suggestion from the UKansas studies that children's brightness and IQ are strongly influenced by how much they are talked to. True, some children are fearful and reclusive from birth, and others are quite adventurous. My observation of children suggests there is seldom a close correlation between infant temperament and adult temperament. The suggestion that unwanted children (refused abortions) in the Czechoslovak study, for instance, are inferior on many scales may also support this lack of correlation, unless prenatal rejection can be demonstrated in some other study.