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To: c.horn who wrote (107)	8/29/1999 3:18:00 PM
From: chalu2	Respond to of 1449

I think you're missing a few steps. The end of German democracy is not marked by the invasion of Poland in September 1939, but rather at least five years earlier when Hitler seized authority even though the National Socialists had won only a minority of the parliamentary seats in the 1933 elections, and began ruling by diktat. From the 1933 seizure of power through the September 1939 invasion of Poland, democracy in Germany was eliminated step by step, while various repressive aspects of the Nazi agenda were carried out, the "lowlights" being the Nuremberg laws, the invasion of the Czech Sudetanland, and the forced Anschluss (union) with previously independent Austria. So for 6 years prior to the decree you mention, Hitler was sapping the lifeblood out of German democracy and the rule of law. So, yes,we can know that my statement is true: armed citizens of Germany did not rise up to protect their Democracy. And, if they had, yes, they would have been shot by both Nazi military men and their armed neighbors who had been duped into believing that Hitler was taking temporary measures to preserve German democracy. In Germany, at least, the right to bear arms did not enable citizens to preserve their democracy. In the U.S., it is too facile to say it would clearly be "us" against "them", and that we could meaningfully take up arms against "them." In these situations (usually precipitated by some crisis), the lines between who is us and who is "them" become blurred.