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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer who wrote (70221)	8/29/1999 9:34:00 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573206

Re: AMD has never had a processor of their own... Well, if you're talking general purpose CPU's, can't we at least give them credit for the K6 series? Or are you saying that they bought that one from Nexgen? Well, at least the Athlon is pure AMD, and something to be proud of. Of course to me, AMD will always bring to mind the 29K - am I showing my age? :-) On the other issues, no argument. There are some political reasons why Intel could have decided to let AMD experience moderate success in the low end of the market, but it's hard to get too upset with them for fighting back when AMD cut prices. I have no idea if AMD's engineers are "jumping ship" or not. I'd guess that most would hang around for awhile, the chance to keep developing the Athlon family has got to be an attractive proposition. But maybe not, I have no direct knowledge. Dan

To: Elmer who wrote (70221)	8/29/1999 9:56:00 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573206

Elmer Fudd, <What's so hard to believe about AMD designers jumping ship?> What is so hard to believe? Everything you say! Because the best talents are jumping in, not out. In, stupid! <You question my statement that AMD design engineers are jumping ship???> I am not questioning your statement:) I state that it is the outright lie. You made it all up, no matter how many ?????? you'd like to put at the end of your phrase. <After the President jumped ship and the Fab manager in Dresden jumped ship you have the nerve to say designers aren't jumping ship???> First, who said that these two have jumped voluntary? Second, you made up all this crap long before these guys were booted, so don't try to get some credit for it. Third, every team eventually has to filter the deadwood, (you don't need to go too far for example, just take a mirror :) :) The major K6 design was completed long time ago, so it was quite possible that few engineers could not find a position in more sophisticated (and smaller!) K7 design team, especially when the team was already fully assembled and well into the design. <What great incentive do they have with a company on..> This is something you may have hard time to understand:) For inventive people there might be something more than a salary, in contrast to dummy pursuaders like yourself. The greatest incentive is taking a chance to beat a crap out of Intel designs. It is a rarest lifetime opportunity for a chip designer. And I guess the Athlon is a clear demonstration of success in that, and a perfect proof that all your "make it so jumping" are lies. <Maybe you should jump while you still have the chance.> Chance for what ? As you say, "The job market is hopping and salaries are soaring", so what are you talking about? :)

To: Elmer who wrote (70221)	8/30/1999 7:44:00 PM
From: Kenith Lee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573206

Fab manager in Dresden jumped ship Elmer, This guy did not jump ship. He got fired! He's the same guy that built Fab25 from ground up. When he transferred to Fab30, all the Fab25 problems were not known then. If he actually quit on his own, Jerry don't have to travel to Dresden with a new manager. High level managers get the option to resign before they "physically" get throw out by the security guards. Maybe this is the only experience you have had when AMD gave you the boot. <G>