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To: chalu2 who wrote (156)	8/29/1999 11:18:00 PM
From: peter a. pedroli	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

FILMMAKER: TRAIL OF WACO DOCUMENTS LEADS TO FIRST LADY'S OFFICE drudgereport.com news.excite.com Republican lawmaker hints at Reno cover-up on Waco Updated 2:07 PM ET August 29, 1999 By Jim Wolf WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A powerful Republican lawmaker said Sunday that he would not be surprised if Attorney General Janet Reno had been involved in a cover-up of the deadly fire that ended an FBI standoff with a religious cult in 1993. "It would not surprise me if Janet Reno tried to keep a lid on this, because I think she's done that in other areas," Dan Burton, chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform, said in a television interview. Burton, a fierce critic of Reno's handling of probes into Democratic Party fund-raising abuses, said he planned to subpoena Justice and Defense Department officials this week to examine major new questions about the official version of the April 19, 1993, showdown with the Branch Davidian sect.

To: chalu2 who wrote (156)	8/29/1999 11:40:00 PM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 1449

<<no such terrible conspiracy is afoot, and that what you see are random acts of stupidity and incompetence>> In my mind there is no matter if it is stupidity, incompetence, or conspiracy; those involved should be tried by they very laws they helped write. As Reno has helped delay justice and cover-up for those who broke the law she too must leave, and face trial.

To: chalu2 who wrote (156)	8/30/1999 12:54:00 AM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Respond to of 1449

chalu Regarding Occam's Razor, I agree, but would simply add that the idiocy comes first followed by more idiocy, the coverup, which is stupid and malicious. Regarding power, I would revert to the phrase, "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Yes, bureaucracies have power and use it, and sometimes in as you say a "childish" way, which I might choose to term "evil". If they showed restraint and reason and didn't choose to "cut the baby in half", that would be good. So, in summation, I would not call the acts purposeful or conspriratorial, just evil. People in government need to take responsibility as least as seriously as we take the IRS. Regards Gordon Enjoy your posts

To: chalu2 who wrote (156)	8/30/1999 11:54:00 AM
From: Bob Lao-Tse	Respond to of 1449

I agree that much of what appears to be sinister is actually a result of stupidity and ignorance, but I believe that this stupidity and ignorance is part and parcel with the culture that our leaders (and leaders in general) surround themselves with, and further that they count on this stupidity and ignorance to further their own goals. Further I agree that the power-mongers want to run everything simply because they want to, but I believe that this desire in and of itself is evil. Your example of England is pertinent. Yes, the progression from tribes to kings there was natural, but that doesn't excuse anything. That progression resulted in Cromwell, who was one of the nastiest and most evil mad little power mongers ever to creep the face of the Earth. If a chain of events results in evil, then that chain of events is flawed, regardless of the original intentions involved. You know, "the road to hell" and all that. If the only fault of our government is not being genuinely evil, but simply allowing a place for evil to thrive, then they are still wrong and they are still a threat to us. The "conspiracy" of which you speak is indeed diffuse and many-headed, but it can be broken down simply. It's us against them. The only issue is which side you're on, the side of the power mongers, or the side of those they would enslave. You admit that the power mongers crave ever more power, but then you dismiss it as just the way things are. I don't. I recognize that the greatest threat to my freedom and my children's freedom is the people who crave ever more power and that if all they share with each other is that need for power, then that is problem enough. That is conspiracy enough.