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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (14264)	8/30/1999 6:18:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

>>>Give Stanley Fish's nobleness a chance! After all, what's your opinion on Theodor Herzl? This dreamer must feel a lemon as he realizes --post mortem-- that his Zionist extravaganza has cocked up the whole Middle East! >>>> Wow Gus! Before I give you my opinion on Herzl you must drop your insistance that somehow there is a historical paralell between Enslavement of Africans and subsequent discrimination of the Blacks and Prosecution of The Jews culminated in Holocaust...there is none right?... You want historic paralel?-how about Leopold and than Belgian rule in Congo? Anything that American did to slaves and subsequent generations just outright pale in comparison.... Belgian rule and its aftermath is much better example of true fiasco than Middle East in general and West Bank in particular. Also right into the heart of the African people plight. As for remedies, Wow, now Gus you outdid any politically correct erudite by the mile...lets see you have exploding Black Yourth crime (what 1/3 in Jail or something?) collapse of the family as an institution, drug use and HIV epidemic in black communities and you worry about silly affirmative action and comparisons to Israel and Zionists? And that at the time when Institutions and Businesses are desperatly struggling to find and hire Blacks....it is just great for the status morale and business, nothing to do with any political agenda...As for Universities and quotas anyone even considered to qulify for Harvard, Berkley and other top schools would do great in life no matter what...All in all Total silliness.. Now to your setup question...Practical Zionism of course as a movement started in Russia after series of Pogroms....movement to promote emigration to the Palestine..(not out of Russia to Brazil or America or Argentina)..Of course Herzl founded political Zionism-that is recognition of the Jewish claim to Palestine homeland...Can you name any other political leader that was more profetic? <<<This dreamer must feel a lemon as he realizes --post mortem-- that his Zionist extravaganza has cocked up the whole Middle East! >>> Quite on contrary with One of the Strongest Army on Earth, booming technology and highest standards of living in the Middle East not to mention nailing a patron like USA (Think not Belgium-USA!) he would probably be more that elated....And who is pushing whom there?..No way Herzl would feel bad at the slightest..