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To: TigerPaw who wrote (246)	8/31/1999 4:12:00 PM
From: Jeff Mizer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

>>You should be looking at the civil servants in the FBI and ATF.<< I may be naive but I think the ordinary people in ATF are good well meaning people many of who are probably freedom loving gun owners just entangled in beauracratic bungling right from the get go starting with the nit witted idea of a raid and when it went bad it snowballed from there. Of course there are bad apples in any group and the murderer Horuchi is probably one but that is another story. I think Waco was badly bungled and the idiot who started the coverup really did more to damage gov't credibility than any other thing since JFK coverup- JM

To: TigerPaw who wrote (246)	8/31/1999 7:34:00 PM
From: James F. Hopkins	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

Tiger; Well same here don't get me wrong when I say what I said may have went over your head, as I'm aware I often don't express things ( ideas ) as well as I would like to. I had the same thought, ( we replace her and still nothing changes) It's just that with her there I know nothing will change, I have looked at the ATF & FBI rather hard and harshly in several ways, but still see her as blocking any investigation that will place even a drop of responsibility on those she has already defended. I've spent more time and work researching this than I can count, Boxes of Tapes, news papers, and even letters I sent to Her and just about any one else I thought might have some influence. I've got a collection on this Waco thing almost as large as the Texas Rangers do. ( not really but I got a lot ) -------------- Back before the Fire, back when I could see in my own mind that the ATF/FBI was going to kill thoes kids if they kept going, & I felt they wouldn't let that building survive..but hoped I was wrong man you haven't got the slightest idea of how hard I worked trying to prevent the damm outcome. So if I get sounding huffy understand this thing really hit a nerve with me, I wasn't just sitting back watching it on TV I got very much involved, but at the same time I didn't get in their face , as I didn't see that doing anything but making them rush it. Not that I supported the Davidians , I had never heard of em before, but when I saw that raid go down, it was a repeat of similar one I had got caught up in years ago and I knew them people inside were going to get cooked alive if somehow they couldn't be talked or dragged out. It was hard to watch this nightmare of human beastiality unfold knowing what was going to happen and yet be so powerless to do a damm thing to stop it. ------------------------- I thought of doing a book on it, it's really complex..you have evil coming at it from all angles even before the ATF got involved..I copyrighted the Title "THE GHOST OF WACO", but I've had to face facts. (1) I didn't finish high school just obtained a GED , and I did real good on the GED in every subject but one. ( Expression ) I almost failed. (2) I know myself well enough to know I'm not just poor in expression, but I lack creativity, and they say writers should have creativity. So I doubt I ever write the book. --------------- On the other hand I went on to self educate myself in other areas..and I'm a licensed Master with a extremely good handle on math. If I told you my IQ you wouldn't believe it and I wouldn't expect you too. I can tell you there is something wrong with the way IQ tests are set up. They don't test for expression or creativity. <G> I am more resourceful than most people, and when I say most I mean you would have to hunt a long time to find someone that can match me in that department. ------------------- I could have washed the Davidians out with a water cannon, ( several ) and in no time ( less than 3 days & that including the drilling of the water wells ). It would have cost a lot less too, maybe that's why the idea was rejected. Jim PS I've helped drill a water well or two..and if you don't know what a dozen or so 4" wells with screens at each sand could produce., well picture filling an average size swimming pool in 1 minute. I likely would have depleted the water strata a good deal but it would have come back..bet I could have washed that house right off it's foundation, in fact before I stated pumping I would have in good sprits and humor sent them in some life jackets --------------- At any rate it would have beat tanks and CS gas, and they would have come out too, if I had to mount the cannons through steel plates on skids and took em right up and put em in the windows, They would have thought Noa's Flood had come back.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (246)	9/1/1999 1:30:00 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Respond to of 1449

Tiger Paw, you wrote Don't get me wrong, I don't think the decisions at Waco were good, good for country, and that there is a coverup. You just have the wrong target. The Attorney General is an administrator and a lightning rod. Replace Reno and nothing changes. You should be looking at the civil servants in the FBI and ATF. "If I accustom a servant to tell a lie for me, have I not reason to apprehend that he will tell many lies for himself" Boswell's Life of Dr. Johnson Less civil servants equals less lying equals less looking, resulting in more freedom. Not a novel idea, (less government) but a noble endeavour.