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To: E who wrote (54224)	9/2/1999 9:58:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 108807

I know for a fact that it is absolutely verboten for a woman lawyer to wear pants to court, even if it is the most stylish pantsuit known to modern couture. And always has been. But that's a fashion thing. Fashion doesn't have to be rational. Or maybe it is rational and we just can't see it. Male lawyers can't wear earrings, either, without eliciting hostility. I do note that the proponents of both these rules are men.

To: E who wrote (54224)	9/2/1999 10:53:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

dating or marrying interracially wearing a wonderbra and a very decollete dress in an upscale restaurant- being eight months pregnant yet remaining in the work place going to a restaurant although you must dine sitting in your wheelchair wearing pants even though you are a woman holding hands in the mall holding hands in the mall; you are gay picking your nose in public nursing your baby in a restaurant; you are stripped to the waist- stripped is not ok imo nursing your baby in a restaurant; you are discreetly arranged talking loudly in a waiting room or restaurant so that others must listen to your conversation- rude taking your boom box to a public park for a family picnic- how loud? Are we talking loud enough to injure hearing? taking your boom box to a mountain top from which there is a magnificent view, a site used by others for quiet contemplation - how loud? Are we talking loud enough to injure hearing? smoking in a restaurant- a health risk smoking at all; you are a woman- bad if you are pregnant, you are endangering someone else- otherwise- who cares? As long as you don't shove that smoke in anyone else's face eating meat publicly; it is probable that some of your fellow diners are ethical- (as opposed to health-) vegetarians when God is mentioned, saying that you don't believe there is one- depends where you ARE- are you in someone else's church? Interrupting the service? otherwise- hey, that's great. I think there are no problems with any of the behaviors- except the few I have noted.

To: E who wrote (54224)	9/3/1999 5:00:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

None of that offends me at all. If it did, I would just take off my glasses and take off my hearing aids. The woman nursing stripped to the waist I would mistake for a famous sculpture. Of course, I can't see anything more than 2" from my eyes.

To: E who wrote (54224)	9/3/1999 10:09:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

My brother Alan has had cerebral palsy since he was an infant. No only is he confined to a wheelchair, but he is spastic, and has restricted use of his hands, and some trouble being perfectly articulate, although most people understand him well enough. To limit his ability to go out because of this means depriving him of a good deal of what constitutes a normal life, and therefore would be too great an imposition.... .....Another brother is married to an African- American woman. Accepting prejudice against persons of color imposes a dreadful tyranny, and forbidding inter-racial marriage merely ratifies the unacceptable bigotry.... .....In each case, large issues are at stake, and there is reason to be aggressive against those who would impose restrictions...... .....Now, suppose I stand on a chair, very quietly, in a dining room. Is it likely that I will disturb those around me? Would I be at fault for the disturbance, since it is well known that highly unusual behavior attracts attention and makes people uncomfortable? Suppose that I merely stand up and begin singing an aria, and that I have the voice and training for it. Some people might find it a charming eccentricity, some others might be angry that I have disturbed their meal. Would I have had a right to have taken it upon myself to make such a display?..... .....A commotion might ensue in all cases, and some people might take offense. The difference between telling some to lump it, and desisting from offending is that in one instance, it would impose far too great a burden on the "offending parties", and in the other, only a small degree of discretion is required to satisfy all.... .....I am not certain what we are coming too when few can draw that distinction, and when they would rather be belligerent than tactful...

To: E who wrote (54224)	9/3/1999 11:32:00 AM
From: jbe	Respond to of 108807

E, when I first ranked the acts you listed in order of offensiveness, I came up with four categories: 1) absolutely intolerable; 2) perhaps not a good idea; 3) borderline (depending on circumstances); 4) perfectly okay, under any circumstances. But since you seemed to be asking for clear-cut ayes or nays, I will limit myself to (1) and (4). 1) ABSOLUTELY INTOLERABLE, UNFORGIVABLE ACTS Taking your boom box to a public park for a family picnic. Taking your boom box to a mountain top fronm which there is a magnificent view, a site used by others for quiet contemplation. (This is also a dangerous act, because you may inspire the "others" to throw you OFF the mountain top.) ABSOLUTELY ACCEPTABLE, UNDER ANY/ALL CIRCUMSTANCES Dating or marrying interracially Being eight months pregnant yet remaining in the work place. (Can't imagine why anyone would object. I remained in the work place right up until the day I gave birth, and nobody so much as said boo to me about it.) Going to a restaurant although you must dine sitting in your wheelchair. Wearing pants even though you are a woman. (One minor qualification: there are some regions of the world where I would not wear pants, so as not to offend local sensibilities; the USA is not one of them.) Nursing your baby in a restaurant; you are discreetly arranged. Joan