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To: Jamey who wrote (26605)	9/3/1999 1:24:00 AM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

<<<Is it anti-god when Christian missionaries in Israel are arrested and deported for handing out literature or assembling to preach Christ?>>>> I guess if all the prophets, apostles and even Christ was rejected by that unGodly nation then it's no coincidence that persecution is still rampant. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem because they don't have any and will not have any until they are brought to their knees in humility at the cross of Jesus. Chris

To: Jamey who wrote (26605)	9/3/1999 3:01:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

James; Get a life. Your attacking Jews is not Godly at all. Lumping Jews together as what you deem them to be is as wicked as it gets. Calling them atheists is as stupid as it gets. Atheists do not believe in any GOD in any form. That just shows where you are coming from. This abortion issue what the heck does that have to do with ALL Jews. What sources gave you that nonsense your KKK buddies. My grandmother was a Jew my Father, Mother and so forth you can claim whatever you wish but your a Judgmental Bigot. This True Israel garbage that you claim means nothing to me you can have it if it makes you happy it's all the other insinuations that tick me off and the Anti-Semitic gestures that causes nut cases to walk into a Synagogues and blow away Jews all in the name of Jesus that is the fruit that YOU TEACH. I believe in Jesus but I do NOT think like you do. I have just as much right to the truth as you do but the difference is I can find better use of my time to focus on the positives of people than fixating myself on some Jew bashing theology. You are one miserable person. Looks like Graystone had you pegged from the beginning. Why don't you just take a blow torch to the Torah. Alan

To: Jamey who wrote (26605)	9/5/1999 11:52:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Is it anti-god that they have one of the highest abortion rates per capita? I think you and I have exchanged posts on this little topic before (I made a little note that says it was #25985 on this thread - hope the number is right). At that time, you had posted that Israel had the highest abortion rate in the world. I went and found a link that indicated their abortion rate in some recent years was around 15 per 100 live births, which is way below the U.S. abortion rate. Now I know that most of the nations in the world allow abortion these days and some other nations have pretty high rates - China because of their child limitation policy, Japan because of their banning of the birth control pill (until very recently). So it's pretty apparent Israel doesn't have the highest abortion rate in the world and it is also unlikely they even have "one of the highest" as you are now saying. I wonder if you have forgotten that earlier exchange or whether you've found some better information? BTW, one reason I originally found it hard to believe Israel has a particularly high abortion rate is because Jews in the U.S. don't have an unusually high abortion rate. The religious groups with the highest abortion rates in the U.S. are, ironically, the Catholics and the Baptists. In fact, I've read that Catholics and Baptists combined account for a majority of abortions in the U.S. I assume the negative stigma associated with illegitimacy is the reason. Though this is just anecdotal, the only women I know personally who have had abortions were church-going, White, Baptist young women. BTW, do you consider the U.S., and the Catholic and Baptist denominations anti-God considering that they have abortion rates dramatically higher than Israel's? On to another subject - the deportations of Christian missionaries from Israel: I haven't heard anything about this. Can you enlighten me as to the circumstances? I did read some time back that Israel's parliament had considered but rejected an anti-missionary law following a one million household mass mailing by an American televangelist which apparently irritated a lot of people over there. As far as I know, missionary activities are still allowed there. Now I have to ask you something perspective-wise. Are you aware that none of the nations around Israel (except maybe Lebanon) allow any non-Muslim missionary activities except for medical missionaries? In fact, in most Muslim countries conversion of a Muslim to Christianity is a capital crime. Do you recall that back during the Gulf War, American chaplains were required to go incognito while in Saudi Arabia since the Christian religion is not even allowed to be practiced openly there? Does this state of affairs offend you any less than Israel deporting a missionary or missionaries? It seems that if Israel didn't exist as I think you and Emile and Chris Land would like, it is almost certain that no Christian missionaries (at least the kind who witness and teach) would be allowed in the Holy Land at all. Interesting, isn't it?