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To: gao seng who wrote (586)	9/5/1999 2:21:00 PM
From: TheHahnz	Respond to of 1449

The Riley/Art Bell interview which discusses the use of the Apache helicopters occurred on his Thursday pm/Friday am(Sept 2) show. You can listen to the show on Art's website in his archive file...

To: gao seng who wrote (586)	9/5/1999 2:29:00 PM
From: James F. Hopkins	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1449

Thanks Gao; I think in a way it validates what I have said to many people, even to Linda T. Linda got her hands on a lot of tape footage that to this day most Americans have not seen, as the Major news media only does little clips of them and then often out of context. ( Waco the big lie , & Waco the big lie contiues ) has a lot of original footage, not re-makes. I don't call them high class tapes by any means, and some inuendos Linda T makes are over done. But the are so far the best of the tapes. While I feel we owe a lot to Linda T in just getting the tapes, she "over comments" on them and appears to emotionally obsessed in trying to make her point, this turns many people off. Like the Flame throwing Tanks, well she should have let the viewer decide that and not tried to state is as some absolute fact. She made herself look like to much of a zealot and even I can't yet believe the Tanks were equipped with flame throwers, all sorts of sunlight reflections to insulation is said to have made some of them look like they were spewing flames..me being a tankerman and looking real hard at the way the alleged flames "dropped" I came up with my own idea, ( rust in the bottom of the drums they were using ). While she called attention to some very valid points, she also over stated enough to lose a lot of creditable. --------------- Enough about Linda T for now, take this part of that first url RILEY]: But Art, how many people do you think know when an Apache helicopter_, 20 Apache helicopters are armed and are circling over a church, how many people do you think know about this? Do you think that the Atttorney General does? Absolutely she does! [BELL]: Ought to! Ah certainly ought to. Now it was kind of hard to tell because as you recall during the end_, end days they moved the media WAY-Y-Y, WAY-Y-Y, back. Remember that? [RILEY]: Oh, yes. ------------------------- that part in bold is just wild ass irresonsible garbage, as much as I want to see accountability in this matter, what gets me is wild ass statements like that just make every one like myself who thinks we need accountability look like some radical. There can be no way they had any damm 20 Apache helicopters on the scene and I would not have known , in spite of the cameras and media having been moved way back, I have some reasonably good shots made with telephoto lens, of the agents on the ground behind the building walking around with impunity as it was burning down, and while at the same time the Fire Engines were held up at the gate with lame arse excuse it was to dangerous for them to go in. I can put that together and prove it to a jury. ------------------ Any way I'll look again at all my tapes from the fire on, I do know some Helicopters were in play, but nothing as wild ass as 20 Apache helicopters. If any Apache's at all were used I'd be truly surprised, let alone any of them shooting the type of missiles they are alleging. If I don't have something on tape I won't play into that garbage. No doubt some ferret rounds were fired from some older model choppers , and that alone is plenty criminal enough to demand some accountability. ------------ ( 1 ) CS gas is illegal at the international level. ( 2 ) The Ferret rounds are also illegal ( 3 ) From Government documents I think we can prove they didn't just use two. they used over 400, and sent for more. I think we need to stay with what we can prove, or we hurt the case. (4) Evidence of a crime scene was destroyed, the largest point needs to be how the front "metal" door has just seemed to vanish. (5) There is evidence enough to say we need an independent investigation, that can take this down to the bare metal. Jim